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Rofl, early nomination for stupid motherfucker of the month award.
2/9/2009 1:11:38 AM
I'm not an atheist but I do think that atheists can and do celebrate holidays... just in a secular manner.
2/9/2009 1:50:19 AM
Oh, so you're on of those.
2/9/2009 1:50:33 AM
Rat of Steel
"Mrs Jane also celebrates her birthday every year, celebrates Halloween, Valentines Day, St Patrick's day, April fools day, Christmas, and every other man/demon made holiday."
Hmmm. On the one hand, Velyx actually acknowledges the pagan origins of Christmas(!!!), but then s/he screws up by incorrectly proclaiming that St. Valentine's Day and St. Patrick's Day are also pagan holidays (ironically, those are the only truly Christian holidays observed in North America).
I'll lay 3:1 that this sort of reasoning will get Velyx excommunicated from the RR-tards' flock.
2/9/2009 1:51:32 AM
"Wouldn't this pretty much make her a Pagan Atheist?"
2/9/2009 1:56:21 AM
2/9/2009 1:56:35 AM
@Rat of Steel,
Actually even those holidays have pagan influences. Four Leaf clovers bringing good luck and Leprechauns come from Irish pagan legends, and the whole idea of Cupid for Valentine's Day also has pagan roots. In Roman mythology he was the son of Venus and Mars.
2/9/2009 1:59:28 AM
It all depends on how "Mrs. Jane" is celebrating these holidays. If she's doing so like most other people, as a minor diversion from routine or an excuse to get together with people, then no. If she's adhering to pagan rituals/practices/whathaveyou intentionally, then yes, but she would also describe herself as such.
What's the question here? This seems self-evident, unless you don't follow any holiday traditions yourself.
2/9/2009 2:00:32 AM
Geez, all this time I thought I was simply being sociable.
2/9/2009 2:08:54 AM
------ Please repost this
------if you believe 9/11
------was done by the Jews.
2/9/2009 2:11:19 AM
All of which are American cultural holidays.
2/9/2009 2:13:23 AM
No, it just means she likes to get drunk.
2/9/2009 2:14:00 AM
Wow, can we get the post before my last one right the hell off of here, please?
2/9/2009 2:14:20 AM
A pagan atheist would be a contradiction.
Imagine a Christian Atheist.
2/9/2009 2:14:41 AM
I guess if celebrating holidays and birthdays is actually performing a pagan ritual, then celebrating them *could* make you a practicing pagan. What if you were just celebrating them for fun, not because you meant them? Would you be a false pagan?
2/9/2009 2:18:21 AM
I guess if you want to call it that.
Not that it really matters.
2/9/2009 2:25:41 AM
Rat of Steel
"Actually even those holidays have pagan influences. Four Leaf clovers bringing good luck and Leprechauns come from Irish pagan legends, and the whole idea of Cupid for Valentine's Day also has pagan roots. In Roman mythology he was the son of Venus and Mars."
*smiles happily* Thank you very much, for helping me learn something new today.
*sighs softly, then turns to the troll and speaks in the tone of voice reserved for young (and probably slow) children*
This is Fundies Say The Darndest Things. The place you want is Conspiracy Theorists Say The Darndest Things. Back out the door, down the hall, second door on your left. Buh-bye!
2/9/2009 2:25:45 AM
wow I actually got responses from you people I am deeply disappointed
2/9/2009 2:30:06 AM
@ JEWSDID9/11, LURK MOAR, BB.
2/9/2009 2:35:05 AM
I think you meant Murk Loar
2/9/2009 2:37:09 AM
There are really only four true holy festivals whose observance was specifically ordered by God in the Bible: Pessach ("Passover", which has several components), Yom Kippur, Succoth and Rosh Hashana. Most Christians don't celebrate any of them.
2/9/2009 2:41:54 AM
Personally, I don't think we should be tied to the calendar to do things like get drunk, spend quality time with family, caring for the poor or needy in the community, or other things that are generally done on "holidays," but I have no problem doing them on those holidays, too...
2/9/2009 2:56:22 AM
Well, s/he has a point. If one claims to be an atheist, one has no business practicing Pagan religion. If one claims to be a Christian, one has no business practicing Pagan religion. Of course, it's really no business of mine.
2/9/2009 3:00:51 AM
a mind far far away
No, it would mean that that person is an atheist who is taking pleasure in a pagan-oriented holiday. Just the same way that when you practice xmas, easter, etc., you're a xtian taking pleasure in a pagan holiday. The atheist is still an atheist, and the xtian is still a xtian. They just both like pagan holidays.
2/9/2009 3:30:57 AM
Also what about a Christian who celebrates pagan holidays? Are they Pagan Christians?
I have a feeling you celebrate Christmas, so look no further than yourself.
2/9/2009 3:47:05 AM
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