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In human logic it is impossible for there to be no God, but at the same time impossible for there to be a God!!!

Bonhoffer, Christian Forums 8 Comments [1/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Bonhoffer

Its not fair. This comment is taken out of context and held as an example of a Christian stupidly contradicting himself. The point being made is to show the limitation of human reasoning because no one can explain either a)where God came from or b) if there is no God, where the Big Bang came from. Theists cannot explain (a) and atheists cannot explain (b)!

1/13/2007 1:48:47 AM

Amos

Bonhoffer,
I don't think this quote was submitted to FSTDT over any self-contradiction. What stands out is 1) your term \"human logic\" and 2) your apparent belief that what is generally understood as logic can, in a sound fashion, reach two contradictory conclusions. Point 2 would be a much more serious problem than simple self-contradiction.

Given the content of your comment here (and assuming you don't really mean what I called point 2, which your comment hardly made clear) I'm forced to conclude that you are just using language poorly. By \"logic\" I must assume you don't mean a deductive system. By \"reasoning\" I must assume you don't mean the use of deduction. I would guess that, perhaps, you are trying to comment on our ability to acquire knowledge. If you just want to point out that we, as human beings, don't have access to the information we need to solve the ultimate origins question and/or that our beliefs and intuitions about causality seem to fail us on this question, then I might agree with you; but that's not what your words mean.

And it's not true that this is out of context. First, your entire post was quoted. Second, greater context is always available via the link next to the name of the quoted person. 'Right up there, saying \"Christian Forums.\" It goes right to the thread in which you posted.

1/13/2007 4:10:02 AM

BurntBush

Yeah! Mess with us and we bring out our smart guys!

1/13/2007 1:56:13 PM

Julian

Logic doesn't have absolutes hey? Yeh right!

1/13/2007 2:16:00 PM

missingno

...What?

3/17/2007 7:28:24 PM

cyborgtroy

Currently there is no good evidence one way or the other, and evidence for atheism might be impossible.

However, the lack of evidence for theism and careful use of Ockham's Razor leads one to conclude there is probably not a God, or that he is so inactive in life we should not give him regard.

4/17/2008 1:03:42 PM



Which is possible in the logic of your little world?

12/27/2009 9:53:22 AM

rw23

@Bonhoffer: "The point being made is to show the limitation of human reasoning because no one can explain either a)where God came from or b) if there is no God, where the Big Bang came from. Theists cannot explain (a) and atheists cannot explain (b)!"

There are several extant suggestions for "where the Big Bang came from". Try brane cosmology for starters.

12/27/2009 1:06:01 PM
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