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Well "logically", according to the rabid religion-haters' little theory of evolution, gays would have been weeded out by natural selection. If they are born the way they are, and they can't "get it up" in the presence of a woman, then they cannot procreate.

Sir Lucario, The Cave of Dragonflies 61 Comments [2/23/2009 8:36:01 PM]
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Let's say we have 20 men and women. 3 men are gay, 4 women are gay. The group still procreates. You fail.

That is also completely overlooking alternative procreation methods (artificial insemination, etc.). More fail.

2/23/2009 8:38:16 PM



a few close-kin non-breeders will increase the survival chances of nephewa/nieces. So a scattering of gays among the family can make it more successful, and thus the trait will be maintained in the parallel blood line

2/23/2009 8:39:37 PM


Except there's a ton of gay people with straight parents, pretty much the majority of them, so that has no meaning.

2/23/2009 8:40:53 PM


This also overlooks the fact that homosexuality might not be a genetic trait passed down from the parents. A mother's hormone levels during pregnancy, for example.

2/23/2009 8:41:08 PM

Doctor Whom

Why weren't worker ants weeded out by natural selection?

2/23/2009 8:48:15 PM



2/23/2009 8:48:36 PM


Only a percentage of the population needs to procreate in order to maintain itself. Arguably, the existance of homosexual feelings could be a form of population control, allowing sexual desires to be met without increasing the risk of over-inflating the population.

2/23/2009 8:52:08 PM


Here's the thing though, assuming that sexual orientation is purely genetic, there genetic diseases that kill people before they even get a chance to procreate, but they still pop up.

But here's the thing. Gay people can reproduce, and in many cases they are so shamed by their nature they end up in heterosexual marriages and even have kids. And even if they don't marry, gay men can still donate their sperm and gay women can have artificial insemination.

2/23/2009 8:52:37 PM

Old Viking

Damn it, Lucario, I warned you about reading that book with the big words.

2/23/2009 8:54:13 PM


Genetic does not automatically mean that the parents carry it. It has been shown that homosexual men (why do they not do studies on lesbians?) tend to be later children, so your breeders have already been born. There also seems to be a connection between the age of the father at time of conception and homosexuality. And as someone else pointed out, female hormones in the womb. Maybe it all comes down to the amount of broccoli the mother eats during pregnancy, who the hell knows.

Personally, I think these studies are a waste of time. Nobody spends time/money trying to figure out why children are born left-handed. I'd rather spend the effort on cancer or something else.

2/23/2009 9:04:48 PM

Pule Thamex

Whatever has homosexuality to do with evolution? Only a crazed fundie jerk would know.

2/23/2009 9:04:50 PM

Mister Spak

"Well "logically", according to the rabid religion-haters' little theory of evolution, gays would have been weeded out by natural selection."

So would sickle cell anemia, yet it keeps hanging on. Care to guess why?

But wait a minute. Are you proving homosexuality can't be genetic because evolution says so? Are you admitting that evolution is true, or only that you don't understand it?

2/23/2009 9:08:50 PM


Was it three children Oscar Wilde had, or four? I forget.

2/23/2009 9:09:02 PM


That's not true. In societies where homosexuality is suppressed, gays will marry and procreate with the opposite sex just so they don't have to receive the venom from people like you.

2/23/2009 9:14:16 PM


Doesn't work that way for twits like you, either.

2/23/2009 9:33:35 PM


[gays would have been weeded out by natural selection.]

Actually, gays are needed in natural selection. They can help in reducing overpopulization. Also there have been gay animals in nature.

[ If they are born the way they are, and they can't "get it up" in the presence of a woman, then they cannot procreate. ]

1. What about lesbians?
2. 7+ billion people in the world. I think we can afford to slow down the baby making.

2/23/2009 9:36:01 PM


2/23/2009 9:36:13 PM


It's always tricky trying to judge what natural selection will or won't do. For example, male homosexuality could be caused by a genetic mutation that confers some offsetting advantage on females.

2/23/2009 9:53:41 PM


Do you realize that all aspects of biology cannot be reduced to mechanisms of dominant-recessive genes? Just because you learned about Mendel in high school, does not mean you have done anything but SCRATCH THE SURFACE.

2/23/2009 9:54:20 PM


Genes can be recessive, also recent studies show that... aww fuck it, all this is wasted on you people anyway.

2/23/2009 9:57:14 PM


No, they can procreate and do. And homosexuality is needed in the natural world as population control.It occurs in every species on Earth. If gays were meant to die out due to natural selection, then what about those gay animals? They're still around.

2/23/2009 10:04:12 PM


I'd have to say Poe. The guy's screen name is a pokemon.

2/23/2009 10:21:10 PM


I thought Ted Haggard had 4 or 5 kids.

2/23/2009 10:24:01 PM


do you think homosexuals have different sexual organs or something lucario?
i mean come on, people enter marriages all the time who both are gay, but are shamed into it by religious belief

but guess what? they have children! just because gay people don't want to have sex with the opposite gender doesn't mean they can't

2/23/2009 10:40:57 PM

Darwin's Lil' Girl

But the same mutations come up again and again. People are born gay because of hormonal levels in the womb (If I have my facts straight). As those often vary, gays keep popping up. Simple.

2/23/2009 10:44:05 PM

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