[OP got arrested after following advice]
As a father though you need to lay down the law if they want to get physical and your can't handle it call the cops and let them know you mean business. IMO you gain respect when they fear you...im talking healthy Godly fear not abusing type of fear but if they need a good beat down DO IT. It's no different when people lose fear of God they become defiant and disrespectful. Sometimes God needs to smack us with real life and wake us up.
I will continue to spank my kids...They have threatned me to call the cops and I told them if they want to call the cops on me go right ahead because they will be finding a new place to live (aka foster home). I even dialed it for them and handed them the phone they freaked out and hung up real quick.
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Spanking is not illegal in the US, nor is it barbaric. A person with common sense knows the difference between a spank and an abusive blow. If you don't know that difference, you have no business having children nor giving advice to those who do.
Yep, the mans already been arrested for beating his kids, your answer is to beat them harder.
I'm sure that will go really well for him.
If you read the thread, basically the father has raised his kids with aggression, and now it's coming back to bite him in the ass.
The sad thing is that this man will probably have custody over his children until they are grown up teenagers. It's a shame no one has called child services. If I were his kid, I would have taken the phone after he dialed it. They don't just take the kids away, they also send the abusive parent to jail, where this asshole would get the BEAT DOWN he deserves.
Go ahead. Your kids should have called the police. Not only would they be in a foster home, YOU'D be the cell block bitch. Your poor kids would probably be able to get away from the abuse, and you'd get exactly what you deserve.
Few things disgust me more than people who abuse children.
@ LOLWUT
Spanking isn't illegal, at least not anywhere I know of in the US. Giving your kids a beat down, however, is.
The statute of limitations on filing child abuse charges generally doesn't start until the child reaches 18, specifically to prevent such threats. It then runs for anywhere from 2 to 20 years or more, depending on the state. So dad won't be out of the woods for many years to come.
I want you this guy to get the shit kicked out of him by a mob, to have fists crashing down on him and not be able to do a fucking thing about it.
I'm sorry, but child abuse always gets my blood up.
(#967532)
"There's a difference between spanking and abuse. Giving your kid a 'beat down' is abusive. You're a dick."
Correct on all three counts. As for 4TheLight, he may be a dick, but he's a rare breed of dick: an RR-tard who actually follows the teaching of Jesus (in the Bible, it was Jesus who said "he who spareth the rod, hateth his son"). Too bad he almost certainly doesn't follow all the teachings of Jesus; y'know, the ones about loving your neighbors as yourself, and not judging lest you yourself be judged.
Father of the Year award!
I know there are a lot of different opinions abouting spanking. I was never spanked, nor have I ever spanked my kids. A very few times I have gotten so angry with them, I think I could have hit them, but instead I walked away, went to the refrigerator and got out stalks of celery and tried to break them all in half at once. It's really hard to do and I felt better taking the anger out on something, but never the child, especially if they are little.
In Canada, our Criminal code allows but heavily restricts spanking.
It is allowed, as long as the child is between 2 and 12, and is done only a few times, with an open hand to an extremity.
A 'good beat downn' will land you in jail up here in the Great White North. So please, step over the border and smack you kid. I dare you, you abusive fundie cunt.
Later in the thread this douche suggests smashing the kid's computer in front of them with a baseball bat because they spend too much time gaming. Jesus Christ what a piece of shit. Intimidation like this is abuse, too, dick!
Following the violent ways of your pathetic god, I see. Well, if you end up in jail, you deserve it. And I know that the foster care system in this nation sucks ass, but it's still got to be better than what you have to offer. I hope you learn the meaning of buttsecks while you're in jail, you pathetic twat.
Sometimes God needs to smack us with real life and wake us up.
If your asshole of a god was actually a real person, he'd be in jail for several counts of aggravated assault and murder (I'm talking Yahweh/Jehovah here).
Hardly an example I would follow.
"IMO you gain respect when they fear you...im talking healthy Godly fear not abusing type of fear but if they need a good beat down DO IT. "
Fear =/= respect.
There is nothing "healthy" about instilling fear in someone OR being afraid of someone.
If you abuse your children because they "disrespect" you, you're the one who needs "a good beat down."
I had to come back to this because it was bugging me.
I train working dogs. I know some people get pissed off when I compare training dogs to raising children, but there is a lot of similarities. To get a good working dog, you need an animal that is capable of being confident, independent, and still willing to work with you. You CANNOT get these results by beating on the dog. You use as much positive reinforcement as possible, and think "will this action help" before you use negative. It's the same with a child. Positively reinforce behaviour that you want to see, correct behaviour you don't want. But correct does not mean beat the living shit out of them. At least with a child you can talk to it, that's one major benefit a parent has over a dog trainer. Consistency and fairness are so important in the training role.
What I see happening here is what I have seen a hundred times with people buying a dog for protection. They buy some poor puppy and then beat the crap out of it, chain it outside, etc, to make it mean. The same people can't understand why the dog turns on them, it's obviously because the breed is evil. The same thing with these people and their kids. They beat the poor kid, and tell them how evil they are, then can't understand why the kid fights back. Sometimes it escalates until someone ends up in jail.
I only have one thing to add.
Someone pass me the Louisville Slugger Clue Bat, and turn me loose on this clueless sadist.
You ought to be more careful, you dumb shit. If they ever did call the cops, you would find yourself with a new place to live. Hopefully, with a child abuse monicker so the other residents could properly greet you.
HEATHEN!
The Bible clearly states that you're to STONE them. To death. By merely beating them and threatening to have them put in foster care, you're condemning not only them but yourself to fiery hell for all eternity.
Take a large rock, and splat your children's brains all over the floor. God wants you to. Kill for love.
I'm not surprised they didn't call for help. Abused children will still try to protect their family from outsiders. I would suggest a bit of learned helplessness is happening there too. If they tell an authority, they might not be believed and get punished further. He's reinforcing that belief with his actions. He's effectively saying "you stir up a bunch of trouble, you'll get punished, not me". Bastard.
If they're old enough to call the cops you're spanking a kid that's too old for it. That's right, too old. A spank is an emergency punishment for a child about to hurt himself (hot stove, for instance) or for a child too young to reason well (and time out* is an inappropriate punishment). After that there are a lot more creative, painful punishments that don't physically/emotionally hurt the child and teach him an actual lesson in the process.
As for respect, respect is earned, not beaten into someone, even if you are their father.
*It works if you do it right.
"IMO you gain respect when they fear you...im talking healthy Godly fear not abusing type of fear but if they need a good beat down DO IT."
So says the Father of the Year. Big people that hit little people are considered bullies. That is no basis for respect.
"Sometimes God needs to smack us with real life and wake us up."
And what a kind, loving god you have.
"They have threatned me to call the cops and I told them if they want to call the cops on me go right ahead because they will be finding a new place to live (aka foster home)."
Seems to me that they'd be better off, dontcha think?
Jeez. I still don't get why some people think spanking is generally okay. Unless a swat on the butt is the only way to keep a kid from doing something harmful to themselves or others I never understood how it's alright.
And seriously once a kid is over like eight spanking them is pretty messed up. If physical punishment and fearmongering are the only ways to keep your kids in line, then I don't know what to say.
@Zoo:
<b>After that there are a lot more creative, painful punishments that don't physically/emotionally hurt the child and teach him an actual lesson in the process.</b>
Tell me you miswrote something here...please...
"a lot more creative, painful punishments..."??
What kind of sick parent goes out of their way to invent new, "creative" methods of inflicting pain on their kids?
I have five kids, all adults now, never raised a hand to any of them, and never had a problem.
Sorry, but ANY hitting and/or inflicting pain on a child of any age is just stupid, inbred, sick and ignorant.
"I even dialed it for them and handed them the phone they freaked out and hung up real quick."
I hope you have a good cover story when those cops finally show up wondering why the hell someone is crank calling them dick bag.
I even dialed it for them and handed them the phone they freaked out and hung up real quick.
Probably because they know that if they ever actually talked to a cop about you, you'd likely beat the shit out of them.
And, my mother grew up in an abusive household. People would say "Wow, those kids sure respect their stepfather!" It wasn't respect, it was fear. And he probably acted that way due to a huge Oedapul complex over the fact that his father basically abandoned him and didn't give a shit about him, and was trying to impress people with what a Big Man he was! Asshole. I wonder if that's some of what this man's problem is, thinking fear = true respect
He (my grandfather) did at home peacefully, too, when I could think of much "better" ways he could have died.
Such a manly man he is, able to scare his own kids simply because he's bigger.
Try that shit with me, asshole. See how far you get. You'll see some fucking lights, I assure you.
Can someone please explain what "POE" and the other acronyms mean? I've been coming here for months and I still don't understand. Thank you in advance!
Edit: This was answered in another thread. Thanks again Empress!
Wow, The whole post is even worse:
I may be a bit extreem but I have pretty good control in my house. You need to flat out take control of your house...you have lost control. Lock down the computer throw away the game. This may sound silly and childish but if you don't care about the computer smash it with a bat right infront of them and let them know you mean business next time they refuse to go to bed. I guarentee they will not mess with you.
A lot of people including me get really irritable when being desturbed from playing games. Look how many people kill their kids because they disturbed their video game. I had to finally sell my gaming computer to break my addiction.
As a father though you need to lay down the law if they want to get physical and your can't handle it call the cops and let them know you mean business. IMO you gain respect when they fear you...im talking healthy Godly fear not abusing type of fear but if they need a good beat down DO IT. It's no different when people lose fear of God they become defiant and disrespectful. Sometimes God needs to smack us with real life and wake us up.
I will continue to spank my kids...They have threatned me to call the cops and I told them if they want to call the cops on me go right ahead because they will be finding a new place to live (aka foster home). I even dialed it for them and handed them the phone they freaked out and hung up real quick.
Thats my advice to you...take control now or they will be walking all over you because they know your a pushover.
There's a problem with beating your kids, and it's this:
Do it hard enough, and regularly enough, and they won't forget the experience (and not the way you'd expect, neither). In later life, when you the parent are much older & physically weaker, and your kids are grown up and physically stronger than you, they're going to take advantage of that fact. And then they're gonna beat YOU. FAR worse (and rightly so). INFINITELY worse. In revenge for what you did to them when they were much smaller & physically weaker, and couldn't fight back. I hope that's what happens to you, OP.
And if you try and exert your 'Parental Rights' again, I hope the law drops on you like a MOAB device. And you go to jail. And you know they just LOVE child abusers in prison!
@ Rat of Steel: As for 4TheLight, he may be a dick, but he's a rare breed of dick: an RR-tard who actually follows the teaching of Jesus (in the Bible, it was Jesus who said "he who spareth the rod, hateth his son").
“Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.” Eph. 6:4
4TheLight is nothing more than a common bully. He may claim justification from the Bible, but his head would be just as fucked up without it. Later in that same post, he talks about having to cut his own gaming time because, to paraphrase, Do you know how many parents have actually killed their own children for interrupting a video game?’
Smashing stuff with a baseball bat? That’s fucking ridiculous. And he’d better believe his children won’t forgive him. He’ll end up regretting this in his dotage.
Unfortunately, things really turned out well for the OP in that thread. He won his court cases against his children, so they're still stuck with him, and I can't imagine he'll be pleased with their actions. His best defense?
"I never hit them in the face!"
Funny thing, the Rapture Retards keep blaming gamers for having no lives, yet they spend all their time waiting to die.
At least us Wowheads are interacting in some way...granted it is all online, but at least there is interaction.
"sigh". Typical redneck fundie creep who, because he doesn't have any real power in his life, has to resort to bullying and child abuse. The sad thing is he doesn't see anything wrong with his actions, even after the cops were called. First off, he goes through the denial-he says that this isn't really abuse-"the fear of god". Second phase, he's going to blame his children-"them little bastards had it coming!". Finally, no doubt, when he sees the police again and hopefully for the last time when they take him to jail, he's going to bring out the whole "I'm being persecuted for being a christian!" deal. All this just to avoid accountability for his actions. Unfortunately, this repulsive cunt is all too common in this country.
Shit! All these beatings, 4TheLight. Anything to convince people that your penis is actually longer than 2 cm.
@ Palinsabortedson
Hello moron, come here to tell us how mighty and righteous you are, hey? Any adult with assertiveness skills who is prepared to be firm but fair can enforce discipline WITHOUT resorting to violence - and be respected for it. Sure it’s hard work but you get respect without hatred, that's a real bonus if you ever find yourself needing them in your corner.
My guess is that you're just too chickenshit to take on someone your own size. Wanker!
P.S. Your computer has a spell checker, use it. Your babble reads like a ten year old wrote it. Oh sorry, I forgot, you aren’t ten are you? The kid your torturing probably is though.
(Punches Pilot, Gaystapo member)
"4TheLight is nothing more than a common bully. He may claim justification from the Bible, but his head would be just as fucked up without it."
Oh, I fully agree. I wasn't defending him when I said "at least he's actually following some of Jesus' teachings"; I was simply saying that it set him apart somewhat from his fellow Rapture cultists who pay lip-service to Jesus, but otherwise ignore him entirely.
Nice bit of punning with your screen-name, BTW. *smiles*
Err, Tolpuddle Martyr , I'm pretty sure that Palinsabortedson wasn't actually saying that. Rather, quoting some other part of the thread.
The post did start with Wow, The whole post is even worse:
I hope this man pays for what he has done. Really, I do.
People like this make me lose my already dying faith in humanity.
When they're finally old enough to leave your abusive home, and they no longer have any reason to be frightened of your bullying, don't be surprised if they never come near you again. No visits from the grandchildren, no phone-call on your birthday, no cards at christmas. You'll die a sad, lonely old man, and the saddest thing of all is that you'll probably still think you did the right thing.
@#911875
"Someone pass me the Louisville Slugger Clue Bat, and turn me loose on this clueless sadist."
No, let him be beat by someone who shows absolutely no emotion whatsoever as he caves their skull in with their bare hands. Nothing is more frightening than being killed by a person with no emotion.
Wow, I wish I knew who you were so I could call Child's Protective Services on your sorry abusive ass! Physically abusing your children and threatening them with a foster home is just monstrous. I hope you never have any more children, and that when your children grow up they will get as far away from you as possible. Hopefully they grow up to be great people and(possibly) great parents.
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