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As I’ve said before, evo-atheists want us to believe that most organisms that are born die before they reproduce, a la Malthus. What a damnable doctrine indeed. Anybody can see that God would be a cruel and vicious God if He allowed that kind of carnage to exist in His Creation. Nature is not “red in tooth and claw”.
The evo-atheists want us to accept Malthus because they want to be the ones to “cull the human herd” to stop the imaginary geometric growth that Malthus said would happen if reproduction were to be unchecked. They want to be the un-natural selectors of death for those they deem “unfit”

ToGodBeTheGlory, Free Republic 56 Comments [2/25/2009 10:30:18 AM]
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Belquer

What the fuck are you talking about?

No really what the fuck.

2/25/2009 1:55:13 PM

Anon-e-moose

"Anybody can see that God would be a cruel and vicious God if He allowed that kind of carnage to exist in His Creation"

No, he just wants all that carnage for himself. Look no further than the OT. And Revelations, of course.

Carnivores in the wild hunt to EAT. Their digestive tracts aren't designed for a vegetarian diet. We humans learned to domesticate certain animals as part of our diet. We eat vegetables too. But at least we don't go around killing & eating other humans. We're civilised.

"the imaginary geometric growth"

Why do you think China has a 'One Child' policy? Even they realise their population is too big, and have taken this measure to control it at least. But I think we in the West could do with controlling our populations too, with compulsory sterilisation. But only amongst fundies.

2/25/2009 2:02:47 PM

Doctor Whom

As I’ve said before, evo-atheists want us to believe that most organisms that are born die before they reproduce, a la Malthus. What a damnable doctrine indeed. Anybody can see that God would be a cruel and vicious God if He allowed that kind of carnage to exist in His Creation. Nature is not “red in tooth and claw”.

They do. If He existed, He would be. It is.

Feel free to watch Nature, or is that full of damnable doctrines, too?

2/25/2009 2:28:04 PM

ClockworkBunny

So, when Jesus returns and the sword of the Lord is doing its thing, killing everyone who is not fit to enter Heaven, that is... NOT culling the herd?

2/25/2009 2:34:12 PM

Grigadil

tgbtg, you seem to be well aware of the facts. Withal, your contortionist blame game is somewhat entertaining.

But yes, your god is a cruel and vicious bronze-age hallucination.

2/25/2009 2:46:15 PM

Vince

I'm an evo-atheist, and I'm pretty sure I have no clue what the crap he's talking about.

But then, I guess that's part of the conspiracy. Deny, deny, deny.

@Illuminatalie

We are Devo. D-E-V-O.

2/25/2009 3:42:34 PM

toothache

Nature is not “red in tooth and claw”.

-Yeah, it is. It does make you wonder about your God though...

2/25/2009 3:44:38 PM

John

Anybody can see that God would be a cruel and vicious God if He allowed that kind of carnage to exist in His Creation.

But he does (see fish and insects, for example). So you've said it yourself.

People, including Darwin himself, have made the same observation about the parasitic ichneuman fly (actually a wasp), which paralyzes caterpillars and lays its eggs in them so the wasp's larvae can eat them alive and fresh from the inside out. Reverend Francis Henry, an early 19th century theologian, rationalized it by saying "it abridges, and almost annihilates ... the misery of disease, and accidental injuries, and lingering decay; and impose such salutary restraint upon excessive increase of numbers, that the supply of food maintains perpetually a due ratio to the demand." (I guess he never read Candide ...)

In other words, our "loving" God is actually doing us a favor! He's clearing out the excess so the rest of us can enjoy life without the scourge of overpopulation. [/sarcasm]

2/25/2009 3:46:07 PM

NoAstronomer

Let's round up the examples of Nature being 'red in tooth and claw' in one place and list biological systems where organisms die before they have a chance to reproduce :-

- Sea turtle hatching
- Salmon spawning, in fact fish spawning in general. See caviar.
- Egg-eating snakes
- Monitor lizards (dig up egg mounds in Oz)
- Periodic cycle Cicadas have literally no defence mechanisms they just overwhelm the predators.
- Annual migration of wildebeest and zebras, most of the newborns don't make it.
- 'March of the Penguins'
- Cuckoos
- Many birds lay several eggs, in times of food shortage only the strongest survive.
- Wasps that lay eggs *inside* the larvae of other insects.
- Male lions kill the infant offspring of the previous males when taking over a pride.
- Most of the fruits, nuts and grain ever eaten is a plant that failed to reproduce.

Finally:

Before the twentieth century even humans had a less than 50% chance of surviving to breed. As someone else said: the reason that the earth is overpopulated is not because we're breeding like rabbits but because we've stopped dying like flies.



2/25/2009 4:12:11 PM

The Outsider

You can't even try to argue with people like this. They live in their own little world where nothing bad ever happens.

2/25/2009 4:16:51 PM

Johannes9126

Any hope that this is a Poe?

The underlying biology is simply too obivious.

2/25/2009 4:45:56 PM

Osiris

As I’ve said before, evo-atheists want us to believe that most organisms that are born die before they reproduce
This isn't a doctrine. This is an observable fact.

2/25/2009 4:57:59 PM

Thinking Allowed

Ok, this guy's posts get weirder by the second.

2/25/2009 5:43:54 PM

Snarky

You've never seen a barn cat clean out a rabbit warren have you? First to go: mom. Then all the babies. Then a fat cat lays in the sun to digest.

2/25/2009 5:50:07 PM

NotThere

"Anybody can see that God would be a cruel and vicious God if He allowed that kind of carnage to exist in His Creation."

*chuckles* I think this guy might actually be close to "getting it." If there is a God, there's no particular reason to think he'd be nice.

"Nature is not “red in tooth and claw”."

Yes it is, quite often.

2/25/2009 5:50:59 PM

theguyontheleft

Are they talking about Thomas Malthus? The Economist Thomas Malthus? Are the fundies now claiming Economics and Evolution the same?

2/25/2009 5:55:06 PM

Moondog

Most marine animals end up in another animal's stomach. On land, the young and larva are the first to be eaten by others. A tree may produce thousands of seeds. Only a few will sprout, and only a few of the seedlings will become saplings and full-grown to go to seed on their own. It's a cruel world. Deal with it.

2/25/2009 5:56:38 PM

NoGodsEver

Darwin got much of his theory from the ideas of Malthus, yes. And don't worry about humans culling the population when there gets to be too many of us, ToGodBeTheGlory. Nature will handle that just fine all by itself.

2/25/2009 6:09:59 PM

WWWWolf

Yawwwwn.

On the recent entries page right now, we have "evo-atheists" (as in this one), "darwiniacs", "Evo-cultists", "Darwin cult", "Temple of Darwinian Materialism" and who knows what else.

I'm starting to get a tad bit irritated. Why do they get away with these weird names? How can they (sorry, forgot the source of the joke) get away with pronouncing such long and multisyllablic words with exact same bluntness and loathing tone as they would pronounce the word "scum"?

Seriously, I wish they would stop it. This is similar, but much worse, than 10-year-old new, bright-eyed open source advocates spouting stuff about "Micro$oft". Kids can, after all, learn. Why don't these people?

2/25/2009 6:50:48 PM



No, nature is happy and beautiful and lovely and all the little fluffy animals love each other.

Riiiiiight...

2/25/2009 7:08:30 PM

Devonian

"As I’ve said before, evo-atheists want us to believe that most organisms that are born die before they reproduce, a la Malthus."
Because that's what *does* happen. Reality, liberal bias, etc...

2/25/2009 7:38:39 PM

Porky Pine

Who the fuck is Malthus?

2/25/2009 7:47:13 PM

Old Viking

Nature is red in tooth and claw on this planet.

And to paraphrase Woody Allen, the lion will lie down with the lamb, but the lamb will be very nervous.

2/25/2009 8:31:06 PM

Oy Vey!

Snarky


Obviously ToGodBeTheGlory has never owned a cat. My cat frequently used to leave mangled presents, of several species, on the doorstep for me. She was definitely “red in tooth and claw”.

2/25/2009 8:50:46 PM

szaleniec

"They want to be the un-natural selectors of death for those they deem “unfit” "

Is this a stealth Godwin? Anyway, if nature isn't red in tooth and claw then go for a 50-mile walk naked through your nearest jungle.

Edit: @Porky Pine: Thomas Malthus, late 18th/early 19th century economist who popularised the idea that unchecked population growth might actually not be a good idea.

2/25/2009 9:55:51 PM
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