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Christianity altogether may not be outlawed, but a watered down, politically correct, morally relativistic version may be all that society will be able to 'legally tolerate' within the next few years. The trend against us has been steadily building for years, thanks to the liberal media and the anti-religio facists in the ACLU. I think someday soon we may have to head back to the catacombs.....or to the basements in this case.

Duster1970, Rapture Ready 17 Comments [1/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Stürmen

"Christianity altogether may not be outlawed"
It can't be because that would be a breach of the constitution. Remember the whole "religious freedom" bit?

" watered down, politically correct, morally relativistic version may be all that society will be able to 'legally tolerate'"
That I can see happening, although I don't sorrow it. Currently your religion says: it's ok to hate homosexuals, Muslims, Jews, and anyone not you, slavery is fine, a priest can get away with pedophilia, bestiality, and murder as long as he "repents to God", and of course: that women are second class human beings.

So really, I won't mourn the loss of your religion in its current state.


"The trend against us has been steadily building for years"
Correct. It's called "progress" and "steady climatization to the human condition."


"...thanks to the liberal media"
Wait, what? "Liberal media"? What's that? Between FOX attacking democrats, the environment, and every progressive thinker to ever exist, Savage Nation repeating said attacks and lying to the public, along with every Murdoch family enterprise in existence, the "liberal media" in the U.S consists of a single moderate-time newspaper.

So please, stop whining about a non-existant "liberal media" as we're all getting sick and tired of it.


"the anti-religio facists in the ACLU"
Supporting equal rights makes one a fascist? Sorry but you might be thinking the fundamentally-flawed but well-intentioned Communist system as outlined by Karl Marx during the Bolshevik revolution via the "Communist Manifesto."
Although I wouldn't call the ACLU Communist either. It's just a pro-egalitarian movement.


"I think someday soon we may have to head back to the catacombs.....or to the basements in this case."
If you want to continue to preach hate, I'll not only celebrate your exodus, but I'll give you a kiss on the cheek.

8/26/2007 1:43:19 PM

DinDC

In the spirit of being a giving, liberal, Unitarian-type person, I'm heading down the stairs right now and straightening up the basement. Please note that once you are ensconsed, the door will be locked and I will have the only key.

8/26/2007 2:07:16 PM

Jason

This is exactly what is happening, and you're blind or ignorant if you can't see it.

Atheists are always so quick to point out that atheism is not a religion, but a lack thereof. I think you can pretty much apply that across the board: liberalism isn't a political ideology, but a lack thereof.

Also, acknowledging other non-Christ based religions in the name of "political correctness" is tantamount to admitting that there's a possibility that Christianity is incorrect. There isn't.

We've got the Bible - we win.

8/26/2007 2:12:31 PM

Hawker Hurricane

@ Jason

Muslims have the Koran. They win.
Jews have the Torah. They win.
Hindus have the Kama Sutra. They win big.

What, you think you should win because you have a old book that is self contradictory, wrong in both history and science, and poorly translated? Why?

8/26/2007 3:51:25 PM

Puck

Jason, I'm a Christian who has no use for the god of Abraham, his stupid book of poisonous bullshit (which I call Tanakh-Plus), or any religion that derived from the Pauline tradition.

Anything other than the Golden Rule principle is merely a political exercise. Thus, religion is a corruption of the ideal.

{sloppy logic, i know, but wtf)

8/26/2007 4:02:37 PM

GigaGuess

@Jason:

So basically freedom of religion for all...so long as it's my religion. Yes?

You feel strongly about your beliefs, and feel I should too. But i feel just as strongly about mine. Why should I bend to your will, simply because you have an old, contradictory, poorly translated book? You gotta do better than that, man.

8/26/2007 4:51:32 PM

szena

This is exactly what is happening, and you're blind or ignorant if you can't see it.

Yeah, how dare those uppity members of other religions ask for equal rights when you know they should be forced underground?

Face it, you'd love to do to others exactly what you fear they might do to you if they weren't kept down. That tells us quite a bit about where your fears come from.

8/26/2007 5:44:04 PM

Brian X

Jason:

The most conclusive death-blow to Biblical literalism I've ever read was by two Jews (read "The Bible Unearthed" -- great stuff). In it, the authors argue that the united Israel never existed, that David was the leader of a bunch of tribal ankle-biters that made their living harassing urbanites, and that the Deuteronomists that laid the groundwork for Judaism as we know it were populist theocrats of a type not entirely unlike Hugo Chavez in Venezuela. And while Jews have been scattered around the world for at least four centuries before there ever was a Yeshua ben Yosef ben Whoever, it seems safe to assume that they know the Bible better than Christians do, especially when many Christians come out of Luther's tradition which divorced the Bible from any historical context it might have once had, leaving many evangelicals completely ignorant of the truth behind the "Truth".

And liberalism is an ideology -- it says the following:

-Believe, learn, and do what you want, but do no harm and do not interfere with others' rights to do the same thing.
-It isn't enough to do no harm; one must sometimes take action to prevent harm from being done or to repair harm.
-It is better to reach a mutual understanding than to prematurely assign blame.
-It's probably a good idea to put structures in place to uphold those principles, since there's always a bad apple looking to take advantage of others' good will, and mistakes will be made regardless of the best of intentions.

That, fundamentally, is liberalism. Any questions?

8/26/2007 8:34:18 PM



@Jason:
Tolerance is important, and the bible teaches tolerance. Our government is not based on religion, it simply allows the free practice of religion.

We have the constitution and treaty of tripoli. We win.

8/26/2007 10:12:35 PM

Dax

Oh Please
The bible and the quran.
The bloody pages are so thin and so abstract you haven't got time to read it before you got to wipe your ass

8/26/2007 10:20:14 PM

DinDC

Everybody... Calm down.

Jason is now locked up in the basement.

Dammit.... I lost the key.

8/26/2007 11:45:43 PM



Also, acknowledging other non-Christ based religions in the name of "political correctness" is tantamount to admitting that there's a possibility that Christianity is incorrect. There isn't.

We've got the Bible - we win.


You win what? "I am the ignorant idiot of the year award'?

9/5/2007 7:12:58 PM

King Duncan

I'm leaving rat poison in my basement just in case.

9/5/2007 11:25:03 PM

apYrs

what about the rats!!

but if fundies move in the rats would probably eat it!

9/6/2007 5:36:16 AM

BurntBush

Praise Jeebus!

9/6/2007 5:39:36 AM

Hairtoucher

It's been ten years, feel stupid yet?

1/26/2014 8:11:03 PM

Swede

So, have you moved into the basement yet?

I live in one of the least religious countries in the world, but Christianity has still not been outlawed or forced to any down-watering.

The Bible is morally relativistic enough on its own, it doesn't need any help in that department. "Thou shalt not kill", unless God orders you to kill people, for gross misdeeds like wearing clothes of mixed fibers or eating shellfish, or disobeying your parents.

Your ACLU protects people's constitutional rights. If your religious freedom has been infringed upon, they might help you.

1/27/2014 5:21:08 AM
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