Quote# 59657

Here's a shocker: evolution has actually refuted itself!

The 2nd law of thermodynamics states that, over time, everything tends toward disorder and decay, including buildings, animals, plants, and yes, even people.

Evolution, on the other hand, claims the exact opposite, that over time, we will become bigger, better, and more powerful.

So which is it, violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics or a theoretical idea?

Your choice.

Lee002, VFXsite.com 61 Comments [2/25/2009 11:32:57 PM]
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the old firm

I take answer "C": You don't know shit about science.

2/25/2009 11:35:03 PM

jack cambrian

This guy is a fucking moron. The basic premise has been refuted so many times it's literally not funny anymore. Also, evolution does NOT dictate that species will get 'bigger, better and more powerful', it posits that a species will become well adapted to it's environment - which may well mean that a smaller, less powerful species outcompetes others in particular ecological niches. Does this douchebag not realise that the 2nd law of thermodynamics is also a 'theoretical idea'?

2/25/2009 11:35:29 PM

Shadow Boxer

Wow. A classic from the widely discredited fundie playbook on evolution. Nice.

2/25/2009 11:35:39 PM


How about a third choice and get a better understanding of that there 2nd law of Thermodynamics which also states that they tend toward entropy in a closed system. In an open system where energy is being fed continually, order is maintained.

Your temple would get dusty, musty, moldy and eventually rot and crumble to the ground if it weren't for the energy you people constantly put into maintaining it. The earth is like that except our source of energy is that big bright hot thing around which we orbit. It's called the sun. You should learn something about it sometime.

2/25/2009 11:42:11 PM

A Friend

Not this old shit again. What's next, Pascal's wager? Fundies are parots.

2/25/2009 11:45:24 PM

atheist crusader

four little words where missed out here, which allows evolution to ocour......


evolution occors in an open system jackass, therefore the second law of theromdynamics is still obeyed


2/25/2009 11:49:25 PM


You should reread the second law of thermodynamics. Really. Then go buy a clue.

2/25/2009 11:51:58 PM


Oh my god. This has been debunked since entropy was PROPOSED.

2/26/2009 12:36:06 AM

a mind far far away

If you actually understood either of them, you would realize that there is no dichotomy between the two. There is no reason to do away with one to prove the other. And you dumbfucks are known for screwing up both ideas, only because you don't have the brain capacity required to shit on the floor, much less actually put some thought into real science.

2/26/2009 12:38:47 AM

2/26/2009 12:39:57 AM

Dr. Funkenstein

WOOO! WOOO! Here comes the clue train!

Evolution claims that species will adapt to their environment. Nothing more.

2/26/2009 12:44:57 AM


So which is it, violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics or a theoretical idea?

Creationists keep saying this, but what creationist has ever actually worked out the calculations to show evolution violates the Second Law and submitted them to other physicists and mathematicians for review?

2/26/2009 12:48:07 AM

Darwin's Lil' Girl

:headdesk: Just pick up a bloody science textbook will you?

2/26/2009 12:49:22 AM


In the first place, the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, applies generally to gases, and specifically to CLOSED systems.

Evolution, as you describe it, applies to organisms on Earth, which means neither gas, nor closed system. In case the OP hasn't noticed, there's a damn great source of heat and light (the sun) pouring energy into the system.

2/26/2009 12:50:09 AM

Pule Thamex

My friend, I'm going to type a word you might not like much, education. Make of it what you will.

2/26/2009 12:52:57 AM

The Jamo

The only difference is that you have failed to mention the closed system that is necessary for entropy to increase. Since Earth is an open system, the effects of entropy do not factor into the equation of life negatively.

My advice to you is: GET A FUCKING EDUCATION!

2/26/2009 12:53:11 AM


"we will become bigger, better, and more powerful."

No, just 'better adapted'.
Humans have gotten taller but a bit weaker. There's a lot of trading-off involved.

"So which is it, violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics or a theoretical idea?"

Well, the 2nd law of thermodynamics states that everything tends toward disorder.

This is why animals have to eat to sustain themselves, and plants absorb sunlight.

The sun is producing several million times enough disorder for all of us.

Okay, maybe that was too accurate for you.
Watch this:

*builds a Lego truck*

Ha, no, wait, I provided the energy necessary to reverse entropy. On an overall scale, it still increased. Never mind.

2/26/2009 1:09:08 AM

Lord Mushroom

It would appear that the brains of these sorts of fundies is certainly obeying said second law of Thermodynamics.

Their argument constantly presented, unchanged and unproven, is getting weaker and weaker, quickly degrading until when it is presented everyone (including more cluey religious types who can think outside the Bible) will laugh at them and they will disappear... preferably to dust.

But then we will have fundie dust all over the place. And then whenever we breathe in we will be breathing fundie, and then the fundies will become one with us, and then we run the risk of becoming fundie-zombies and the only hope will be a cult that believes that burning everything is good and the whole world is immolated...

Or not.

2/26/2009 1:11:58 AM



2/26/2009 1:17:43 AM

Old Viking

If you read the Second Law of Thermodynamics to this bozo he would have no idea of what you're talking about.

2/26/2009 1:19:37 AM


"So which is it, violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics or a theoretical idea?"

Neither. Now fuck off and drink some Drano.

2/26/2009 1:24:39 AM


Here's a shocker: people that are fooling themselves and never bothered learning any actual sciences can't do much more than blow smoke and pretend they aren't assclowns.

2/26/2009 1:32:14 AM


Evolution claims nothing as to how we will evolve.

2/26/2009 1:34:08 AM


Evolution does not work that way. You fail, dolt.

2/26/2009 1:36:36 AM


Closed system!

2/26/2009 2:21:35 AM

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