Here's a shocker: evolution has actually refuted itself!
The 2nd law of thermodynamics states that, over time, everything tends toward disorder and decay, including buildings, animals, plants, and yes, even people.
Evolution, on the other hand, claims the exact opposite, that over time, we will become bigger, better, and more powerful.
So which is it, violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics or a theoretical idea?
Your choice.
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This guy is a fucking moron. The basic premise has been refuted so many times it's literally not funny anymore. Also, evolution does NOT dictate that species will get 'bigger, better and more powerful', it posits that a species will become well adapted to it's environment - which may well mean that a smaller, less powerful species outcompetes others in particular ecological niches. Does this douchebag not realise that the 2nd law of thermodynamics is also a 'theoretical idea'?
How about a third choice and get a better understanding of that there 2nd law of Thermodynamics which also states that they tend toward entropy in a closed system. In an open system where energy is being fed continually, order is maintained.
Your temple would get dusty, musty, moldy and eventually rot and crumble to the ground if it weren't for the energy you people constantly put into maintaining it. The earth is like that except our source of energy is that big bright hot thing around which we orbit. It's called the sun. You should learn something about it sometime.
four little words where missed out here, which allows evolution to ocour......
IN A CLOSED SYSTEM
evolution occors in an open system jackass, therefore the second law of theromdynamics is still obeyed
If you actually understood either of them, you would realize that there is no dichotomy between the two. There is no reason to do away with one to prove the other. And you dumbfucks are known for screwing up both ideas, only because you don't have the brain capacity required to shit on the floor, much less actually put some thought into real science.
So which is it, violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics or a theoretical idea?
Creationists keep saying this, but what creationist has ever actually worked out the calculations to show evolution violates the Second Law and submitted them to other physicists and mathematicians for review?
In the first place, the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, applies generally to gases, and specifically to CLOSED systems.
Evolution, as you describe it, applies to organisms on Earth, which means neither gas, nor closed system. In case the OP hasn't noticed, there's a damn great source of heat and light (the sun) pouring energy into the system.
The only difference is that you have failed to mention the closed system that is necessary for entropy to increase. Since Earth is an open system, the effects of entropy do not factor into the equation of life negatively.
My advice to you is: GET A FUCKING EDUCATION!
"we will become bigger, better, and more powerful."
No, just 'better adapted'.
"So which is it, violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics or a theoretical idea?"
Well, the 2nd law of thermodynamics states that everything tends toward disorder.
This is why animals have to eat to sustain themselves, and plants absorb sunlight.
The sun is producing several million times enough disorder for all of us.
Okay, maybe that was too accurate for you.
*builds a Lego truck*
OH SHIT THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS
It would appear that the brains of these sorts of fundies is certainly obeying said second law of Thermodynamics.
Their argument constantly presented, unchanged and unproven, is getting weaker and weaker, quickly degrading until when it is presented everyone (including more cluey religious types who can think outside the Bible) will laugh at them and they will disappear... preferably to dust.
But then we will have fundie dust all over the place. And then whenever we breathe in we will be breathing fundie, and then the fundies will become one with us, and then we run the risk of becoming fundie-zombies and the only hope will be a cult that believes that burning everything is good and the whole world is immolated...
Or not.
"So which is it, violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics or a theoretical idea?"
Neither. Now fuck off and drink some Drano.
Right! That's it! I'm sending Maxwell's Demon around to whip your sorry arse.
First you notice that it happens to be a statistical tendancy (not actually a law).
Obvious false dichotomy is false.
Learn some physics and you would see that nothing in evolution contradicts the 2nd law. If you were correct, all life would contradict the 2nd law.
Physics =/= Biology
Hoemskuled, much?
Here's a shocker: A creationist has missed the obvious.
It has come to my attention that the biggest thing that fundies can pull out of their ass is the "2nd law of thermodynamics"...
..they dont know what it is, but they use it alot to sound scientific. I always smile when I see one use it.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics says that the entropy (sometimes likened to chaos) of a closed system cannot decrease. Creationists like to say that this chaos is represented by lesser-evolved organisms and that a more evolved organism possesses less entropy. They take this to mean that evolution contradicts this law. First of all, evolution has nothing to do with chaos, and Anon-e-moose is right; physics does not equal biology. Secondly, even if the previous statement were false, Earth's ecosystem is not a closed system. There is an immense, constant inpouring of energy from the sun and heat and light energy also radiate off of the earth in turn. This is a weak attempt from Creationists trying to convince people they understand a word they say about science.
And neither evolution nor the Second Law of Thermodynamics is disputed. Deus, I wish creationists could/would actually read my posts, I want to know what they'd say.
Wow, you are even more ignorant than I imagined you'd be. I'll try to lay it out in extremely simple terms.
The 2nd law of thermodynamics refers to an increase in entropy in a non- equilibrium system. In other words, it means that something will get more random over time. This refers to an isolated, closed system.
Evolution on the other hand is not referring to an isolated system, and thus will produce stronger products with a continuous supply of energy.
Oh, and a footnote here. EVOLUTION IS FACT, NOT THEORY. Hate to break it to you, but that's how it is.
Behind door number 1 is the theory of evolution.
Behind door number 2 is the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
Choose!
Lee002: "Which one supports my faith?"
Uhm..none of them.
Lee002: "I'll take the 2nd law because it refutes evolution and evolution is the one that is most at odds with the faith I started out with."
Uhm..no it doesn't.
Lee002: "LALALAAA! CANTHEARYOU!"
Yeah, that would be shocking indeed.
Evolution claims that we adapt to a changing environment. Adapting might be to become smaller, less powerful, but perhaps better at hiding from large predators. If bigger were always better, the dinosaurs would not have died out.
I thought you said evolution had refuted ITSELF? 2nd law of thermodynamic is not part of ToE.
Go back to school and learn what a scientific theory is. It's not an idea, that would the the hypothesis.
Has it been long enough ?
neither evolution of thermodynamics says what you claim.
If thats VenomfangX site, get help fella.
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