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#913927
Observable Reality
Someone's having fun going in circles.
2/25/2009 9:35:19 PM
#913929
Doctor Whom
Given your reasoning, the singularity of the big bang required no creator either.
2/25/2009 9:36:40 PM
#913933
The Outsider
Special Pleading FTL!
2/25/2009 9:37:50 PM
#913943
Psittacosis
God gets out of infinite regress because God gets out of infinite regress.
2/25/2009 9:41:07 PM
#913946
Reverend Jeremiah
umm..how did you make such a jump that a first cause is a god? Why not a goddess? Why not an infinite amount of infinitely powerful gods and goddesses?
Why not say that it is a first cause and you dont know whats before that?
I know, becuase that means being honest and not lying for Jesus.
2/25/2009 9:42:54 PM
#913950
Old Viking
The human mind is incapable of processing the phrase "outide of space and time." It is logically incoherent.
The rest of your stuff is deep, though. By any chance was your mother frightened by a philosophy book while she was carrying you?
2/25/2009 9:44:01 PM
#913953
Atheist In A Foxhole
round and round the fundie goes, where he will stop nobody knows....
2/25/2009 9:44:36 PM
#913954
breakerslion
"God requires no creator because the fact is he is outside of space and time and the fact is that something outside of space and time does not need to be made."
Special Pleading FAIL!
Edit: Outsider beat me to it!
2/25/2009 9:45:07 PM
#913956
Wehpudicabok
"the universe would not be real [sic] complex like it is in reality."
Design a simpler universe than our own that is still capable of supporting life.
Scratch that, just explain why complexity proves a creator at all. Systems capable of
emergence often result in incredibly complex structures, even when they are allowed to run naturally. Thus, complexity alone does not prove a creator.
And even if it did, I refer back to my original point, that the universe likely could not be any simpler than it is now and still be capable of supporting intelligent life. If you could prove that a simpler universe might exist that could support life, and that complexity proves a creator, then you'll have something.
2/25/2009 9:46:21 PM
#913968
lol logic
"Everything requires a first cause. That first cause requires no first cause because it is a first cause. It is God."
"Baseless assertion. Baseless assertion. Therefore, non sequitur."
2/25/2009 9:52:59 PM
#913970
I'm getting dizzy. I think I need to go lie down now.
2/25/2009 9:54:54 PM
#913972
Osiris
I'm spinning!
2/25/2009 9:55:45 PM
#913982
Tina
I always felt it was the other way around. The sheer complexity of the universe proves it doesn't have a creator. A creator wouldn't need to make everything so complicated for it to work! Especially the human body. Nothing has quite confirmed my atheism like studying medical stuff!
2/25/2009 9:59:48 PM
#913989
pete
Amazing! Marvelous! Wonderful!
Whether it's a superlative example of the willfully ignorant uber-fundy, or a masterful Poe, this one deserves a 5.
2/25/2009 10:02:47 PM
#914000
QT
Okay, well, the first part is at least understandable, if horribly wrong, but this:
Also, you can't prove God doesn't exist. If God didn't really exist it would be really easy to prove this because we would understand everything and the universe would not be real complex like it is in reality.
Seriously, what the fuck?
2/25/2009 10:08:10 PM
#914002
PWEOTWEB
Also, you can't prove God doesn't exist.
That's why the burden of proof is on you, cocksucker.
2/25/2009 10:08:59 PM
#914022
tracer
Modern cosmological models presuppose that the Big Bang originated from a quantum background that existed outside of space and time.
(Since "space" and "time" exist only inside the universe that originated from the Big Bang.)
Since this quantum background exists outside of space and time, by your reasoning, it didn't need to be made and requires no first cause because it is a first cause.
2/25/2009 10:26:26 PM
#914025
TheDoc
Lobotomy is the new black
2/25/2009 10:28:47 PM
#914034
Um... "everything" has a slightly different definition in his world. These arn't arguments, they are unfounded assertions with no evidence supporting them
2/25/2009 10:35:08 PM
#914042
John
The Flying Spaghetti Monster requires no creator because the fact is He is outside of space and time and the fact is that something outside of space and time does not need to be made.
Everything requires a first cause. That first cause requires no first cause because it is a first cause. It is the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Also, you can't prove the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist. If the Flying Spaghetti Monster didn't really exist it would be really easy to prove this because we would understand everything and the universe would not be real complex like it is in reality.
****
Now you know why the Cosmological Argument, which has been around for 2,500 years, isn't thought much of by theologians. It leads to any god or gods you want to invent.
2/25/2009 10:39:32 PM
#914046
Headache
My head is bouncing back and forth between my desk and the palm of my hand!
2/25/2009 10:41:49 PM
#914050
JonathanE
By definition, "outside of space and time" means non-existence. Outside of space and time precludes interaction with that which is inside space and time. Outside of space and time really means non-existence. Thanks for proving that there is no god.
As to the next two paragraphs, both moot, since you've logically disproved god. Thanks!
2/25/2009 10:44:07 PM
#914072
Dr. Funkenstein
"Everything requires a first cause."
Ok. I'll give you that.
"That first cause requires no first cause because it is a first cause."
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What?
2/25/2009 10:59:49 PM
#914077
GigaGuess
God requires no creator because the fact is he is outside of space and time and the fact is that something outside of space and time does not need to be made.
Then how does he affect things INside of space and time? I mean if he's outside of space and time, he shouldn't be able to manipulate anything in our reality, let alone create anything.
Everything requires a first cause. That first cause requires no first cause because it is a first cause. It is God.
So which is it? Either everything requires a first cause, and as such, God requires a creator, or it doesn't, and the universe could just have bee, no God needed. You can't have it both ways.
Also, you can't prove God doesn't exist.
And you can't prove that he does. So take him on faith, see if I care. But you've got to do a lot better than this to convince me.
If God didn't really exist it would be really easy to prove this because we would understand everything and the universe would not be real complex like it is in reality.
Who ordered the Non Sequitur? God not existing does not mean the world would just unveil itself to us. And why wouldn't it? Hell, I would think an omniscient, all powerful being should have been able to make the universe far more simple, and a lot less chaotic, no?
2/25/2009 11:04:17 PM
#914081
anevilmeme
So the God of the Gaps has become the God of String Theory?
2/25/2009 11:07:17 PM
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