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I was just reading in the thread about how old the earth was, and a few pictures were posted there about polystrate fossils. This got me to pondering, has anyone ever taken the supposed conditions of Noah's flood and tried to reproduce it on a small scale to see if we can create fossils or oil?

I don't anticipate ever seeing anything like this from a secular source as the last thing they'd want to do is prove that the what we see today was the result of a worldwide flood. But then, they'd probably just explain it away, like they attempt to do with everything else that is irrefutable evidence.

fracturedInfinity, RR 44 Comments [2/25/2009 9:28:35 PM]
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2/25/2009 9:30:18 PM

k4jun

Tell you what... We will do your experiment and let you know the results in, oh say... 1,467,245 years.

Unless you meant a wristwatch and some coconut oil.

2/25/2009 9:33:45 PM

Doctor Whom

You mean conduct an experiment to test the flood myth? That's just what we've been trying to get the creationists to do, but for some odd reason that escapes me, they won't.

2/25/2009 9:39:14 PM

Psittacosis

One has to wonder what such an experiment might consist of. Still, I'm sure the Discovery Institute has got it well in hand.

2/25/2009 9:39:20 PM

Old Viking

I tried it once. All it did was make a mess in the bsthroom.

2/25/2009 9:39:29 PM

Reverend Jeremiah

If we could create oil that easy in 40 days and 40 nights of rain on a simulated ground then WHY..WHY...WHY..

Oh why do I even bother. Yes, of course, we secularists are persecuting the fundies.

2/25/2009 9:40:02 PM

Wehpudicabok

"But then, they'd probably just explain it away, like they attempt to do with everything else that is irrefutable evidence."

If you can explain it, it's not irrefutable! CONTRADICTION IN TERMS

2/25/2009 9:40:46 PM

Not_You

Please refer to any of the numerous catastrophic, highly fatal floods which have happened in recent memory.

Now, in millions of years, is it possible that there will be fossils found of people, animals, or flora who died in these floods? Yes. Does that prove anything except what we already know about fossils or oil? No.

Thanks for trying!

2/25/2009 9:43:54 PM

pete

Many experiments have been done which seek to model the conditions and results of the Great Flood. Those done by competent scientists all demonstrate that there has never been a worldwide flood and, even if there had been, said flood could not account for the fossil record or petroleum.

It could not have created the Grand Canyon. It could not have caused confirmed glacial features. It could not have created sand dunes. It could not have happened, period. And ten minutes spent Googling, with an open mind, serves to supply all that any sane, curious, person needs to know about the actual processes involved.

Of course, the simple fact that you are asking the Raptards about geology and paleontology makes any attempt at education futile.

2/25/2009 9:51:56 PM



Go get yourself some research money and try it.

2/25/2009 9:52:54 PM

LOLWUT

You don't want evidence to support your faith, because then it would no longer be a faith.

2/25/2009 9:55:27 PM

Osiris

We've been trying for years to get creationists to do that. So far nothing.

2/25/2009 9:59:10 PM

John

This got me to pondering, has anyone ever taken the supposed conditions of Noah's flood and tried to reproduce it on a small scale to see if we can create fossils or oil? I don't anticipate ever seeing anything like this from a secular source ...

Since creationists are the ones making this preposterous claim, it's their job to try and prove it. They do the experiment, then they write it up and submit it for peer-review by people who can spot errors and frauds. Then, if they answer their critics satisfactorily, the work gets published as legitimate science. That's how science works. You don't just pull a harebrained idea out of thin air, then sit back and say to everyone else "prove me wrong". And only a fool believes something just because it hasn't been disproved. That's a standard Kent Hovind technique. It's called the "argument from ignorance" fallacy.

2/25/2009 10:22:33 PM



Question: if this experiment failed, wouldn't that make fossils irrefutable proof against the Bible... what would they do with that?

2/25/2009 10:33:41 PM

Psittacosis

^^^
Pretend it hadn't happened.

2/25/2009 10:37:53 PM

Headache

Why don't you do it yourself?

Take a bucket, fill it with dirt and a few plants, some beetles and ants, then attach a 29000 foot cylinder on top of it and fill it with water, leave it out for 220+ days, empty and see what you can find.

2/25/2009 10:39:15 PM

JonathanE

As others have said, if we could create oil by flooding some land, don't you think it would have been done by now?

I don't think irrefutable means what you think it does, fractured. "Explain it away" is what science does, actually, with irrefutable evidence.

Please shove your head back up your ass, thanks.

2/25/2009 10:39:25 PM

Devonian

"But then, they'd probably just explain it away, like they attempt to do with everything else that is irrefutable evidence."
OH GOD MY IRONY METER

Also, if there had been a worldwide flood that laid down all the strata in the world basically at once, we'd see it in the rocks themselves. Which we don't. There's an essay out there describing what we'd see if it had happened, and it's completely different.

2/25/2009 10:42:22 PM

Grigadil

Well, if you kept the backyard sprinkler on for 40 days and nights [remember to throw pets, children, etc into the mix] and wait for it to dry up, you might have a reasonable duplication of your hypothetical flood's aftermath.

The only proof I would accept for a worldwide flood is a worldwide Grand Canyon. It isn't there, dingleberry.

2/25/2009 10:45:45 PM

Natness

So why haven't the creationists attempted to recreate it, and then publish their findings.

The burden of proof lies upon the person making the claims. Thus, AiG needs to get a move on and start creating floods and whatnot.

But somehow, I don't see it hapenning anytime soon.

Why is this idiot asking secular scientists to do this? I though science was of teh debils? Or is 'secular science' (ew, that made my head hurt) only ok when you require justification for your asinine beliefs?

Hypocrites make baby Jesus cry!

2/25/2009 10:46:43 PM



Irrefutable evidence can't be explained away.

Ergo, you haven't got any.

2/25/2009 10:54:49 PM

D Laurier

"has anyone ever taken the supposed conditions of Noah's flood and tried to reproduce it on a small scale to see if we can create fossils or oil?"

Yes, And the results demonstrated the sheer absurdity of the whole ark myth



2/25/2009 11:01:41 PM

anevilmeme

"But then, they'd probably just explain it away, like they attempt to do with everything else that is irrefutable evidence."

***HEAD GOES BOOM!!***

2/25/2009 11:06:17 PM

CatAnon

This guy doesn't realized that you can't make oil in only a few thousand years, does he?

2/25/2009 11:17:28 PM

Panz

Yes, it has been done, and it shows that the earth would not layer like we see when we cut into it

2/25/2009 11:25:40 PM
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