I was just reading in the thread about how old the earth was, and a few pictures were posted there about polystrate fossils. This got me to pondering, has anyone ever taken the supposed conditions of Noah's flood and tried to reproduce it on a small scale to see if we can create fossils or oil?
I don't anticipate ever seeing anything like this from a secular source as the last thing they'd want to do is prove that the what we see today was the result of a worldwide flood. But then, they'd probably just explain it away, like they attempt to do with everything else that is irrefutable evidence.
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Yay! Firsties!
Tell you what... We will do your experiment and let you know the results in, oh say... 1,467,245 years.
Unless you meant a wristwatch and some coconut oil.
If we could create oil that easy in 40 days and 40 nights of rain on a simulated ground then WHY..WHY...WHY..
Oh why do I even bother. Yes, of course, we secularists are persecuting the fundies.
"But then, they'd probably just explain it away, like they attempt to do with everything else that is irrefutable evidence."
If you can explain it, it's not irrefutable! CONTRADICTION IN TERMS
Please refer to any of the numerous catastrophic, highly fatal floods which have happened in recent memory.
Now, in millions of years, is it possible that there will be fossils found of people, animals, or flora who died in these floods? Yes. Does that prove anything except what we already know about fossils or oil? No.
Thanks for trying!
Many experiments have been done which seek to model the conditions and results of the Great Flood. Those done by competent scientists all demonstrate that there has never been a worldwide flood and, even if there had been, said flood could not account for the fossil record or petroleum.
It could not have created the Grand Canyon. It could not have caused confirmed glacial features. It could not have created sand dunes. It could not have happened, period. And ten minutes spent Googling, with an open mind, serves to supply all that any sane, curious, person needs to know about the actual processes involved.
Of course, the simple fact that you are asking the Raptards about geology and paleontology makes any attempt at education futile.
This got me to pondering, has anyone ever taken the supposed conditions of Noah's flood and tried to reproduce it on a small scale to see if we can create fossils or oil? I don't anticipate ever seeing anything like this from a secular source ...
Since creationists are the ones making this preposterous claim, it's their job to try and prove it. They do the experiment, then they write it up and submit it for peer-review by people who can spot errors and frauds. Then, if they answer their critics satisfactorily, the work gets published as legitimate science. That's how science works. You don't just pull a harebrained idea out of thin air, then sit back and say to everyone else "prove me wrong". And only a fool believes something just because it hasn't been disproved. That's a standard Kent Hovind technique. It's called the "argument from ignorance" fallacy.
As others have said, if we could create oil by flooding some land, don't you think it would have been done by now?
I don't think irrefutable means what you think it does, fractured. "Explain it away" is what science does, actually, with irrefutable evidence.
Please shove your head back up your ass, thanks.
Why don't you do it yourself?
Take a bucket, fill it with dirt and a few plants, some beetles and ants, then attach a 29000 foot cylinder on top of it and fill it with water, leave it out for 220+ days, empty and see what you can find.
"But then, they'd probably just explain it away, like they attempt to do with everything else that is irrefutable evidence."
OH GOD MY IRONY METER
Also, if there had been a worldwide flood that laid down all the strata in the world basically at once, we'd see it in the rocks themselves. Which we don't. There's an essay out there describing what we'd see if it had happened, and it's completely different.
Well, if you kept the backyard sprinkler on for 40 days and nights [remember to throw pets, children, etc into the mix] and wait for it to dry up, you might have a reasonable duplication of your hypothetical flood's aftermath.
The only proof I would accept for a worldwide flood is a worldwide Grand Canyon. It isn't there, dingleberry.
So why haven't the creationists attempted to recreate it, and then publish their findings.
The burden of proof lies upon the person making the claims. Thus, AiG needs to get a move on and start creating floods and whatnot.
But somehow, I don't see it hapenning anytime soon.
Why is this idiot asking secular scientists to do this? I though science was of teh debils? Or is 'secular science' (ew, that made my head hurt) only ok when you require justification for your asinine beliefs?
Hypocrites make baby Jesus cry!
"has anyone ever taken the supposed conditions of Noah's flood and tried to reproduce it on a small scale to see if we can create fossils or oil?"
Yes, And the results demonstrated the sheer absurdity of the whole ark myth
This got me to pondering, has anyone ever taken the supposed conditions of Noah's flood and tried to reproduce it on a small scale to see if we can create fossils or oil?
I have a suggestion. Stop pondering things, it only makes you look like a jackass. Or at least, if you ponder, don't post the thoughts on the interwebs for everyone to point and laugh at. It makes you and your ilk look that much more idiotic, and gives us entertainment. Wait, on second thought, post away, fucktard.
@ Oy Vey!
Please, please do not start that firsties crap here, what are you 11 years old or something? It is stupid, it is juvenile, and it leads to comments like mine complaining about yours...
Then we end up with ten comments in each thread saying firsties are stupid or aren't or whatever...it is pointless and a distraction.
I've liked some of your comments, they have been clever and intelligent. Please don't ruin my opinion of you...
Yes, no scientist would ever want to discover something that would change everything we thought we knew about the world and prove that a Biblical story actually happeend as describe din the Bible, potentially becoming the biggest discovery in history. Nor would they want to find a way that they could make unlimited oil in a short period of time.
Idiot.
"I don't anticipate ever seeing anything like this from a secular source as the last thing they'd want to do is prove that the what we see today was the result of a worldwide flood."
You're insane.
If it were possible to create crude oil by simulating a worldwide flood, then Standard Oil, Texaco, Shell, British Petroleum, Occidental Petroleum, and every other oil company on the planet would be all over it, geological status quo be damned.
The fact that they're still bargaining with arabs to buy crude oil that they've sucked out of the ground in the desert pretty much means that you can't produce crude oil on anything less than a geological time scale.
Hey, we're not even asking you to recreate the flood. Just build a seaworthy ark out of gopherwood and live in it for a year. with a couple of thousand of animals.
That's not too much to ask is it?
they'd probably just explain it away, like they attempt to do with everything else that is irrefutable evidence.
Hahahaha! That proof we have that we're right, those bad nonbelievers ruin it every time, it's just not fair!
"they'd probably just explain it away, like they attempt to do with everything else that is irrefutable evidence"
this makes me laugh, if its so "irrefutable" they couldn't explain it away! do you know why? becaause its fucking irrefutable
Here's an experiment for you, fracturedInfinity.
* Flood you basement.
* Put a small model boat in the water.
* Go "Whoosh", "Whoosh" to simulate wind.
* Toss some dead plant matter and a couple of pieces of coal and see if you get oil and diamonds.
* ???
* Profit.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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