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Originally posted by 1BurningStake
And, true the Niagara Falls separates Erie and Ontario Lakes, but even if fish couldn't evolve in/around the lakes naturally, they could always have swum up the Mississippi and into the lakes, right?
The Mississippi doesn't connect with the Great Lakes. It starts at Lake Itasca, which is in the middle of Minnesota, too far from Lake Superior.
2/27/2009 2:03:41 PM
Don't go chasing waterfalls. Please stick to the rivers and the lakes that you're used to.
2/27/2009 2:40:37 PM
This is from Wikipedia on Lake Erie
"The lake consists of a long list of well established introduced species. Common non-indigenous fish species include the rainbow smelt, alewife, white perch and common carp. Non-native sport fish such as rainbow trout and brown trout are stocked specifically for anglers to catch. Attempts failed to stock coho salmon and its numbers are once again dwindling."
Google. So easy a caveman can do it.
2/27/2009 2:41:23 PM
Thank you, #973167! In the Wikipedia article, I couldn't tell they weren't connected.
And, I live in a state on the West Coast. : )
2/27/2009 2:45:45 PM
The Great Flood is the one of the dumbest stories in that book. The only way they can make people believe it is by threatening them with Hell if they *don't* believe.
2/27/2009 2:48:21 PM
@zaatheist: Throughout the 1980s, the media in my country (USofTexas) had painted the bunch of the European-descended inhabitants of S. Africa as a bunch of racist enslavers, backward koppie-billies, and entitled Boers and Burgers. My isit to your country indicated to me that the story is much more complex than that, the white populace and blck populace alike including the whole spectrum of human behavior from the vile to the heroic. In that regard, my nation is no different than yours. We have a complete mix of idiots and geniuses, haters and players, atrocious shitbags, dharma bums, and invisible saints. Most people fall somewhere in the middle of those extremes (Central Limit Theorem and whatnot). The point is, that the media must simplify to present information in a limited space/timeframe. There are more than 300 million of us, and not all of us are morons--even if we happen to elect one as a leader from time to time. So take it easy, OK?
2/27/2009 2:50:16 PM
Uh, you need some evidence to make your story plausible and regardless of what you may have been told there is NO evidence for a flood. And why do you think that a flood would have caused the lakes to have been formed?
And as I'm sure many here have mentioned the Great Lakes are not land locked isolated bodies of water, they are connected to the oceans, but hey, you go with the more plausible flood story, dope.
2/27/2009 3:07:55 PM
Lakes drain to the ocean (big water with fish in it) by way of rivers. Accept for the Great Salt Lake and the Dead Sea, which, suprisingly enough, have no fish!
...actually, i'm not quite sure about the salt lake...can anyone confirm or debunk?
2/27/2009 3:11:47 PM
1. Someone put them there
2. The were transferred there via other bodies of water.
3. So, this really big, powerful invisible guy that lives in the sky got really mad when his science fair project didn't do what he wanted it to do, so he destroyed it by throwing it in his cosmic, powerful invisible bathtub. Then some holes spontaneously formed.
Then, when he took the science fair project out of his bathtub, after failing to destroy everything on it like he wanted, some of the stuff he failed to destroy ended up living in and thriving in those holes that spontaneously formed for no reason.
2/27/2009 3:25:41 PM
"Isn't it much more plausible to say that large holes formed during Noah's Flood..."
No, because Noah and his flood are both fictional. THEY NEVER EXISTED.
2/27/2009 3:56:16 PM
There is also the possibility that there were depressions with fish in them before the glaciers, and some fish survived under the ice in pools of water.
What would be interesting would be to see how the species of fish there compare to elsewhere in the US.
As for the Flood - was it salt water or was it fresh? Either way, big die-off. Unless it just 'happened' to be 'just enough' for both types? Highly unlikely :)
Secondly - if the world was supposedly all tropical 6000 years ago, where did the polar species come from? They 'evolved' in 6000 years? Wow, proof that evolution is even MORE powerful under Fundie-ism! :)
2/27/2009 4:21:12 PM
No, it's not more plausible. In fact, it's downright imbecilic.
2/27/2009 4:41:30 PM
So in your world, fish dont swim?
2/27/2009 5:02:58 PM
There was no global flood.
2/27/2009 8:25:00 PM
Birds gave birth to the fish because that's what evolution teaches, amirite??
2/27/2009 8:29:41 PM
Bender Bending Rodriguez
Why aren't there any fish in the Great Salt Lake then?
2/27/2009 8:36:02 PM
I thought that everything not aboard the Ark was drowned.
So the tought that "the holes remained filled up with water and voila, the Great Lakes? That would explain why the fish are there, because they would have already been there during the Flood." is unbiblical
2/27/2009 8:38:55 PM
why dont you research, soldier.
spare us of your stupidity.
2/27/2009 9:13:31 PM
"Fish gotta swim, birds gotta fly, I gotta fail each time till I die, can't being a fundy dork."
2/27/2009 9:18:03 PM
No. That's not possible at all.
It is a fact that you are an idiot though.
2/27/2009 9:22:14 PM
Ever heard of a little something called a RIVER?
2/27/2009 9:35:05 PM
The difference is where you live, someone this dumb would probably try to hand feed a cheetah as a child, and be removed from the population.
In the US, we coddle these idiots and tell them how smart they are so we don't hurt their self-esteem.
2/27/2009 9:43:38 PM
"You all say that million of years ago, a bunch of glaciers cruised through and dug gigantic holes in the area between Canada and the Midwestern united states. These holes eventually filled up with rain and became the Great Lakes."
No, we don't.
We say that the holes filled up with glacier meltwater at the end of the last Ice Age. Initially, about half of modern-day Canada was under water. Only when the glacial "dam" separating this gigantic inland superlake broke, and most of the water poured out into the north Atlantic, did the left-over water leave us with the Great Lakes as we know them today.
I saw this on the History Channel, so you know it must be true. <ducking and running>
2/27/2009 10:03:47 PM
My question to you is, where did the fish come from?
Rivers. It's not as if the Great Lakes are a completely isolated bodies of water. Are you really that stupid? Or was your intent to be decitful?
When it rains here in my neck of the woods, we usually get some pretty big mud puddles, but those puddles never get filled up with fish.
Are those mud puddles fed by numerous rivers? If not, then that's why. What grade are you in anyway? Did you even go to a real school?
Isn't it much more plausible to say that large holes formed during Noah's Flood, and that after the Flood waters went down, the holes remained filled up with water and voila, the Great Lakes?
That would explain why the fish are there, because they would have already been there during the Flood.
Because the fresh water and saltwater fich would have all died in the brackish waters of the flood. And the great lakes would not be freshwater lakes, but a brackish mixture. They are not.
When the water went down, and the Lakes stayed there, the fish just stayed in the lakes
And just where did the water go to? Floods disapate via runoff, that can't happen in a global flood. So just where the fcuk did all that water go? Any way you try to explain it has to, by necessity, have "god" magic away all the excess water, you are no longer in the realm of science, instead you have ventured into the realm of fairy tails.
2/27/2009 11:00:03 PM
I know! I know! Please sir! Me sir! GODDIDN'TDOIT?
2/27/2009 11:02:18 PM
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