"Raising the Dead is no more difficult than any other type of ministry.
It's simply a matter of faith and obedience.
I have heard testimonies in person from several men who have raised the dead. Don Jones, Henry Hinn, and David Hogan. There are others I've heard on tape: Calvin Simmons and Moses Ewo. And I've heard the testimony of Howard Pittman, in person, and Marvin Ford on tape, men who were raised from the dead. I'm waiting for my chance.
Be open to the possibility. When you are presented with an opportunity to raise the dead, seek the Lord for his mind in the matter. Pray as He directs [in some cases it takes a long time], do as he instructs and, of course, give Him all the Glory "
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How do you prove that someone was raised from the dead ?
You also make it sound so easy that it should be happening all the time and considering that there has never ever in the entire history of mankind been a documented case of this happening makes me believe that it's not only a lot harder than you propose, but impossible.
Raising the dead is indeed not that difficult. We call that resuscitation. It is a medical procedure, which, when applied on time, can revive a dead person. The window, however, is quite small.
Otherwise, demonstrate. Testimonies do not count. Any two bit idiot who does not know the difference between unconsciousness or a coma and death can claim to be raised from death. Show us, in front of licensed medical practitioners, how do you do it.
So, raising the dead is as easy as passing out Chick tracts or praying to Jesus before a high school football game?
If it's that easy, why are there, even by your completely biased account, only several examples? Do only Jones, Hinn, et all have enough "faith and obedience" to do this trick? Wouldn't that mean it's not so easy? Or, does it just mean that opportunity for a somewhat convincing fake doesn't come up very often?
Raise my grandma, then I'll be convinced. She died in 1982.
@Papabear : Silly, you know the AD&D rules! If the target's been dead for more days than the spellcaster's level, Raise Dead won't work. You'll have to use Resurrection instead, and that's a 7th level Clerical spell which means your cleric can't cast it 'til he's level 14. I mean, duh!
CPR isn't the same as resurrection, you nit.
And each one of those fundie broadcasted cases where debunked.
I'd need a valid death certificate for this person, as well as testimony from two or three credible doctors before I'd come close to believing this. If it's true, though, you might still have a chance at winning the $1 million prize from JREF.
"Raising the Dead is no more difficult than any other type of ministry. "
So what Jesus did was no big deal, then?
"I have heard testimonies in person from several men who have raised the dead."
Why don't you have any testimonies from the people who were supposedly raised from the dead, then?
And I thought the Bible proscribed necromancy.
Once again they are Lying for Jesus(tm). Either the person wasn't actually dead, or they performed CPR. Praying just won't do it. Maybe they consider CPR to be 'laying on of hands'?
I see three options:
1. They can raise the dead
2. They are too stupid to know where a pulse is
3. Lies, scams, fraud and the gullibility of fundies.
Guess which one I'm going with.
And I thought the Bible proscribed necromancy.
Once again they are Lying for Jesus(tm). Either the person wasn't actually dead, or they performed CPR. Praying just won't do it. Maybe they consider CPR to be 'laying on of hands'?
"as well as testimony from two or three credible doctors"
We'd all be long dead before someone managed to round up that many credible doctors.
And I think they made a movie about this a while back...Flatliners...didn't end up well for the folks who were revived.
Remember, it's not a fact unless it's demonstrably true. So pics, videos, forensics, demonstrations or it didn't happen. And remember: The more extraordinary the claim, the more compelling and extraordinary the evidence has to be.
Oh yeah, we can fly through the air and zap lasers from our fingers, it happens all the time! Haven't you heard about our church, it's the one that allows you to do all this? For only $50 you can join us!
"Pray as He directs"
I don't get this shit. You pray to God, right? But you are supposed to "pray as he directs?" What, He tells you what to say to Him? Why? If He wants to raise the person, why not just do it? What does He need you for at all? And I really don't get the point of Him telling you what to say to Him. Just doesn't make sense at all.
Not that I believe any of it, anyway. But I really don't get how that's supposed to work.
If it's that fucking easy, just go to a hospital, morgue, or graveyard, and raise away. Don't forget to take lots of pictures and video, and have a trained doctor's verifiable documentation on the resurrections you perform. You'll be a star.
Yeah, can raise dead too... It is called True Resurrection, and you have to fork over 25.000 gp worth of diamonds first. Gotta love the high level cleric...
Oh, you weren't talking about D&D?
You know, just because someone's in a diabetic coma doesn't mean he's dead.
Seriously, a diabetic coma makes someone seem like he's dead. That's one of the reasons why they used to leave the body out for three days for the wake - if he decays, well...
waiting for your chance eh?
It sounds easy the way you put it. let's give it a try. you stab yourself and I'll resurrect you.
p.s. why would a Christian want to be resurrected anyway? I though going to heaven was supposed to be a good thing. if I got up there and someone dragged me back down I'd be a little pissed.
Necromancy for Jesus?
O.o
Raising the Dead is no more difficult than any other type of ministry.
And no more or less believable, either.
@ Ambrielle
I see three options:
1. They can raise the dead
2. They are too stupid to know where a pulse is
3. Lies, scams, fraud and the gullibility of fundies.
Guess which one I'm going with.
May I have another? I'd like to pick two of them.
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