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Put Christ Back Into Schools

To allow freedom of praying and reading of the Bible in all schools across America.
Positions:

1. Allow Teaching of and only the Bible by teachers at any time to students anytime.
2. Allowing the Bible (and only the Bible) to be an elective in all schools, and not forced upon.

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Education - Elementary and Secondary
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We believe every teacher should have the right to teach the Bible at any time.

Please note: To clearify, this group is for teaching of the entire Bible, and only the Bible.

According 1st Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, every person has the right to religion. Why is praying/reading of the Bible not allowed in most schools?

Peter Ruchti, Put Christ Back Into Schools Facebook Cause 74 Comments [3/10/2009 11:41:46 AM]
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Askold

"every person has the right to religion."

It does not say wich religion... And it doesn't say that religions are mandatory...


3/10/2009 11:46:05 AM



Praying is allowed in schools, dumbass, the problem is that you guys aren't happy praying where you can't be seen. Seems Jesus had some words about that somewhere...

The rest of your post is just a whole ass-load of stupid.

3/10/2009 11:52:17 AM

Mr Blur

How, exactly, do "they" stop anyone praying in school? Can they read minds now?

Sure, they should stop you running around and shrieking about Jebus at the top of your voice but praying - it's a silent operation, isn't it?

3/10/2009 11:54:31 AM

Reckoner

Put Allah Back Into Schools

To allow freedom of praying and reading of the Quaran in all schools across America.
Positions:

1. Allow Teaching of and only the Quaran by teachers at any time to students anytime.
2. Allowing the Quaran (and only the Quaran) to be an elective in all schools, and not forced upon.


Fixilated.

3/10/2009 11:54:58 AM

J. Random Lurker

No, the I Amendment says specifically that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

The easiest way is for government to have nothing to do with religion.

Why isn't it allowed in government schools? Simply because by allowing only the bible is a tacit endorsement of Christianity by the State (which is implicitly proscribed in the I Amendment), and non-Christians have rights as well.

However, it's Constitutional to impose this in private and/or religious schools where attendance is largely voluntary, as neither Congress (via the I Amendment) nor the States (via the XIV Amendment) can restrict the free practice of religion.

For it to be Constitutional, you couldn't just use your favourite fairy tales--you'd have to allow everyone else's. Not what you had in mind? Too bad.


3/10/2009 11:55:41 AM

Doctor Whom

Please note: To clearify, this group is for teaching of the entire Bible, and only the Bible.

According 1st Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, every person has the right to religion.


Not too self-contradictory.

By the way, if schools started teaching the entire Bible, including the parts on slavery and the other parts that discredit the Abrahamic religions, we all know who would be the first to put a stop to that.

3/10/2009 11:58:11 AM

Spiritual Nihilist

They act like anyone who mentions Jesus in a public school gets arrested and tortured to the third degree or something.

Any one can at any time pray in a public school. As long as it's not teacher led prayer nobody gives a fuck. In fact, every school I've been to has a non-mandatory school wide prayer around the flag at least once a year, as well a very active Christian Club. What we don't have is Islamic Club, A Jewish Club, Wiccan/Pagan Club, a Buddhist Club, Atheist/Agnostic Club, etc.

And also, no public school is going to forbid anyone from reading the Bible. They can't. And all public school actually stock Bibles, in the library, same section as the Koran, the Hebrew Bible, and the comparative literature books. And I might be mistaken, but I believe there are also some in the guidance office.

3/10/2009 12:04:36 PM

MozMode

Why is praying/reading of the Bible not allowed in most schools?

It is allowed. Nobody's going to stop a student if they do. But as far as making the staff or teachers do it...this is a school, right? They do actually want to TEACH some things, right? I'm pretty sure it's not good to teach from a book that says insects have 4 legs and wearing mixed fabrics is bad. Just sayin'.

3/10/2009 12:15:08 PM

Shadoboy

If you're putting your religion into schools, I should be able to do the same.

Pastafarianism FTW!

3/10/2009 12:16:38 PM

J. Random Lurker

No, the I Amendment says specifically that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

The easiest way is for government to have nothing to do with religion.

Why isn't it allowed in government schools? Simply because by allowing only the bible is a tacit endorsement of Christianity by the State (which is implicitly proscribed in the I Amendment), and non-Christians have rights as well.

However, it's Constitutional to impose this in private and/or religious schools where attendance is largely voluntary, as neither Congress (via the I Amendment) nor the States (via the XIV Amendment) can restrict the free practice of religion.

For it to be Constitutional, you couldn't just use your favourite fairy tales--you'd have to allow everyone else's. Not what you had in mind? Too bad.


3/10/2009 12:18:29 PM



Because you have fuckin' churchs and school is for useful, practical or mind exercising and expanding information

and what Lurker said

3/10/2009 12:19:50 PM

J. Random Lurker

ack. Apologies for the double post. Damned browser...

3/10/2009 12:20:08 PM



Because you have fuckin' churchs and school is for useful, practical or mind exercising and expanding information

and what Lurker said

3/10/2009 12:20:26 PM

Devonian

"Why is praying/reading of the Bible not allowed in most schools?"
They are allowed. Proselytizing isn't.

3/10/2009 12:24:01 PM

Grigadil

I'm glad you clearified. Allow me to rebut.

Church is for teaching the bible stuff.

You may keep your "little lettuce pickers" and "junior janitors" in sunday school all week long, if you feel the need. Just back off from those who are interested in real education.

School is for teaching useful stuff.

3/10/2009 12:27:18 PM

EvoPagan

Unfortunately, the Constitution allows you to be a moron if you so choose. Fortunately, it protects the rest of us from being forcibly indoctrinated with your moronism.

3/10/2009 12:28:07 PM

aaa

Establishment Clause, same amendment.

3/10/2009 12:28:38 PM

Painful

Now I admit, it has been awhile since this gen Xer has been in school, but bibles were allowed and prayer was allowed (especially before tests for the unprepared!)... in fact, I remember there was even a school sponsored prayer group that met before attendance and had a circle prayer.

Funny - and I went to one of those over populated yankee public schools too.

Now that "Only teach the bible" crap has got to go. But you are in no way being oppressed in way the rest of your message implies.

3/10/2009 12:31:17 PM

ausador

We teh undarsinged is for teching the Bible and onli the Bible in scools. Why be teching Bible not alowed? Teh constetation sais we hav rigt to religoun so whi Bible not teeched in scool?

Whi prayin and reedin of teh bible not teeched?

3/10/2009 12:35:06 PM



"Allow Teaching of and only the Bible by teachers at any time to students anytime."

And you wonder why you folks are stuck in trailors and get laughed at?

3/10/2009 12:41:50 PM



"To clearify, this group is for teaching of the entire Bible"

To clarify, unless you are Jewish the Book One is fuck all to do with you?
See, the Xtians were lazy, they couldnt even cobble together their own creation stories, so they stole from the belief system they seperated from.

3/10/2009 12:43:44 PM

emau99

[According 1st Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, every person has the right to religion. Why is praying/reading of the Bible not allowed in most schools?]

Because the establishment clause of the the 1st amendment specifically forbids any public institution (like a public school) from endorsing any religion (like Christianity).

Did you have any other questions?

3/10/2009 12:46:06 PM

J. Random Lurker

ack. Apologies for the double post. Damned browser...

3/10/2009 12:46:20 PM

Mister Spak

"According 1st Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, every person has the right to religion. Why is praying/reading of the Bible not allowed in most schools?"

Because Islam is the real religion. We don't allow false religion in our schools.

3/10/2009 12:46:31 PM



"To clearify, this group is for teaching of the entire Bible"

To clarify, unless you are Jewish the Book One is fuck all to do with you?
See, the Xtians were lazy, they couldnt even cobble together their own creation stories, so they stole from the belief system they seperated from.

The video is well fcuked up as well...

http://apps.facebook.com/causes/sharings/314190?m=b7c820a9

3/10/2009 12:48:57 PM
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