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How about this...Man needs absolutes to function. Those absolutes are from God. When a person is raised to believe there are no absolutes then they don't know how to accept absolutes. They don't live according to those absolutes so other people don't see those absolutes.

So, what am I saying? I don't think the number of Christians is declining. I think the number of people faced with the fact that Christianity is about absolutes have abandoned their "religion".

2Pe 2:22 It has happened to them according to the true proverb, "A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT," and, "A sow, after washing, {returns} to wallowing in the mire."

Speaking of which...what do the results of the last election say about us?

Daniel Paul, the Christian Post article comments 66 Comments [3/13/2009 3:34:33 PM]
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So, I guess the fact that the number of people responding as "christian" to the surveys has declined, while the number of those responding to "not religious" has correspondingly increased means nothing.

I dunno. What do the results of the last election say about you?

3/13/2009 3:41:51 PM


"what do the results of the last election say about us?"

That we, as a society, are progressing?

3/13/2009 3:42:09 PM


How about this ... fundies needs absolutes to function. They get those absolutes from their hairball religion. When others are raised to believe there are no absolutes, it pisses fundies off because people don't accept the fundies' absolutes. They don't live according to those absolutes so they have fun and the fundies don't.

3/13/2009 3:43:44 PM

Argle Bargle

Bullshit spewed by people like Daniel is one of the main reasons why people are abandoning Christianity.

3/13/2009 3:44:39 PM

Pule Thamex

What does that post say about you. It says Daniel Paul is an infantile twerp whose insecurities and inadequacies lead him to swoon before a fictional being to whom he can transfer all his need for authoritative guidance. It means that he is perfectly happy to wallow in ignorance for the rest of his life and allow himself to be led like a good little slave by a religious edifice of questionable morality and with shaky ethical foundations.

How about that...

3/13/2009 3:48:41 PM

No One

I can't think of a single instance where anything in the real world is absolute...

(If anyone can think of anything, feel free to enlighten me!)

3/13/2009 3:48:52 PM


There is a majority of sane people in the states?

3/13/2009 3:51:46 PM


Fundies see the world in absolutes. That's the black-and-white world W. saw. Most of the rest of us, being rational, sapient, animals, see the world in shades of grey. Some things are bad, but not as bad as murder, which isn't as bad as genocide (unless you're the victim, of course). Absolutism just shows a lack of thinking, and an appeal to quick, easy answers.

3/13/2009 3:53:43 PM


Man needs absolutes to function.

Bzzzzz! Wrong! Better luck next time!

3/13/2009 3:54:14 PM


The world isn't that binary. Don't go blaming everyone else in the world that you can't live without everything being a YES/NO selection.

3/13/2009 3:58:00 PM


@No One:
Raping is wrong, that's an absolute!

3/13/2009 4:00:21 PM


...that Regan taught you nothing and it took you 8 years to shake another republican dictator?

3/13/2009 4:00:51 PM


Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

3/13/2009 4:03:50 PM


"what do the results of the last election say about us?"

That you like to eat your own vomit. :D

Actually, it says that we are going in the right direction.

3/13/2009 4:10:35 PM


ok, I have to say it.

the world doesn't need absolutes but you do. the common fundie mind set has the inability to really make sense of the world around you. while smarter people can make day to day distinctions about morality and science you are unable to keep up and need a rulebook to fall back on.

the reason religion is so popular and has people like you clinging to it with every ounce of strength is because it gives you the reassurance you need. people like you have a need to be given all the answers and the church steps in and goes just that, not to mention that it gives you an environment that will constantly reassure you that your doing the right thing, your the good guys, god loves you, and such.

I hold no grudge against your personal mental failures, it's just that me and a lot of others are able to figure these things out without some all knowing book to just hand us the world. the scientist, the atheist, and many others are still fighting to figure things out, maybe you have more peace of mind, but we keep fighting to truly understand. you gave up, and we recognise a snakeoil salesman when we see one.

3/13/2009 4:14:54 PM


The results of the last election say that Americans are fed up with conservative, close minded, fundamentalists and want someone with common sense.

3/13/2009 4:20:21 PM


"So, what am I saying?"
Well, I... I honestly have no idea what you're saying.

3/13/2009 4:20:49 PM

Absolutes are for people who lack the intelligence and education required for critical thinking. Your idiot hero George Bush is a good example.

What does the last election say about us? That at least some of the idiots who voted for Bush the first two times finally got poor enough and desperate enough to try something new.

3/13/2009 4:28:23 PM

Paschal Wagner

Man needs absolutes to function. Those absolutes are from God. When a person is raised to believe there are no absolutes then they don't know how to accept absolutes. They don't live according to those absolutes so other people don't see those absolutes.

So, what am I saying?

As far as I can tell, you're saying that
a) Man needs absolutes to function, and that
b) a person who doesn't cling to absolutes still functions without them.

In short, you presented an argument and then in the very next sentence derailed it yourself. Well done.

3/13/2009 4:29:46 PM


Poll numbers on religion go up: "There, told you this was a Christian country!"

Poll numbers on religion go down: "Those wallowing swine, screw 'em!"

3/13/2009 4:36:37 PM

Dio Fa

I can accept certain absolutes. For example, I think you're an absolute idiot.

I also say the results of the last American election are absolutely wonderful. Not only is the election of an African-American president a historic event, but his intelligence is a refreshing change from the absolute idiocy of the last eight years. Had McCain & Palin taken over the country, they would have been an absolute disaster.

Do I believe it? Absolutely.

3/13/2009 4:39:11 PM


My dog does that. It keeps me from having to clean up too much of a mess. Very useful.

I'm not exactly sure what dog and sow behaviors have to do with your point?

3/13/2009 4:49:57 PM

A dog returns to its own vomit? What does that mean, and why did you yell it?

3/13/2009 5:19:02 PM

Yeah getting off scot free by accepting jebus is absolute justice. moron

3/13/2009 5:23:06 PM


Ok, but a woman doesn't.

And actually, not all men do either. There are people on this planet that can understand and accept that the world is full of shades of gray. We may like absolutes, we may occasionally need absolutes, but we don't -always- need them to function, and they don't have to come from any god.

Question for you, if people don't like that Christianity is about absolutes and therefore abandon it (or it's rigid practice, at least) is that really saying people need absolutes? To me that suggests that people think absolutes don't represent reality.

3/13/2009 5:25:33 PM

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