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Students, give this test to your teachers. When they fail it, ask them why they are teaching this nonsense!

Teachers, give this test to your students if you really want them to know the truth about evolution!

1. Which evolved first, male or female?
2. How many millions of years elapsed between the first male and first female?
3. List at least 9 of the false assumptions made with radioactive dating methods.
4. Why hasn't any extinct creature re-evolved after millions of years?
5. Which came first:
...the eye,
...the eyelid,
...the eyebrow,
...the eye sockets,
...the eye muscles,
...the eye lashes,
...the tear ducts,
...the brain's interpretation of light?
6. How many millions of years between each in question 5?
7. If we all evolved from a common ancestor, why can't all the different species mate with one another and produce fertile offspring?
8. List any of the millions of creatures in just five stages of its evolution showing the progression of a new organ of any kind. When you have done this, you can collect the millions of dollars in rewards offered for proof of evolution!
9. Why is it that the very things that would prove Evolution (transitional forms) are still missing?
10. Explain why something as complex as human life could happen by chance, but something as simple as a coin must have a creator. (Show your math solution.)
11. Why aren't any fossils or coal or oil being formed today?
12. List 50 vestigial or useless organs or appendages in the human body.
13. Why hasn't anyone collected the millions of dollars in rewards for proof of evolution?
14. If life began hundreds of millions of years ago, why is the earth still under populated?
15. Why hasn't evolution duplicated all species on all continents?


Missing Universe Museum, MissingUniverseMuseum.com 312 Comments [3/17/2009 4:20:06 PM]
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And not having an answer for these means Goddidit because...

3/17/2009 4:28:44 PM

RavenWood

List of fail.

And pushinf 7 billion people is UNDER populated!?

3/17/2009 4:29:48 PM

RavenWood

Pushing** I miss that edit function...

3/17/2009 4:31:16 PM



What do you mean "not having an answer"? I know the answer to most of these questions (except those that aren't really questions but [false] affirmations).

3/17/2009 4:33:21 PM

Archaeopteryx

I don't think you understand what a museum is.

Whoever said there are no stupid questions has never seen this list.

3/17/2009 4:36:04 PM

Mudflappus

Given the "all or nothing" nature of the Christian faith, any one of these questions not answered to their complete satisfaction means the whole premise must be conveniently tossed out the window. Sorry, science doesn't work that way.

3/17/2009 4:41:30 PM

Canadia

Jesus wept....upon reading this list.

3/17/2009 4:42:19 PM



1. Neither early life was asexual or in some cases hermaproditic, so both.
2. See question 1
3. Don't know, not a specialist.
4. Because the exact set of circumstances that led to it's evolution have not, and can not be reproduced.
5. In all probability primitive light sensing cells were the first of that particular list to manifest.
6. In which species?
7. [Citation needed]
8. Golar Bears, go look em up.
9. See 8
10. Any sequence of simple changes will at the end point seem complex. A coin is an artificial non-natural item.
11. You sure about that. That said, the conditions required are very specific and requre large amounts of time undisturbed, with all the digging people do on the earths crust, the odds of having a pocket of organic matter lie undisturbed for long enough are slight indeed, however, there are experiments being carried out on alternative fuel sources that subject coarse hydrocarbons (vegetable oils) to heat, pressure and a catalyst to produce long-chain hydrocarbons, in essence, recreating oil in a lab flask.
12. Not being an anatomist or medical professional the cocynx (tail-bone) and appendix come to mind immediately.
13. Because the burden of prrof imposed is unrealistic and ever shifting.
14. Underpopulated by what? The variety and sheer amount of life on Earth is staggering.
15. See 4, but also each local situation provides different environmental pressures, though simmilarities in the end results cna be observed in areas with simimlar environmental pressures.

3/17/2009 4:45:25 PM

No One

I'm not sure what the point of question number tweleve was... Unless they can prove that it was a good idea for god to create us to have organs that don't really have any use and can in some cases even be detrimental.

3/17/2009 4:46:10 PM

Ken

My bio profs and high school science teachers could have answered all of these questions, so you're going to have to find some other way to spread your creationist bullcrap.

3/17/2009 4:46:33 PM

No One

I'm not sure what the point of question number tweleve was... Unless they can prove that it was a good idea for god to create us to have organs that don't really have any use and can in some cases even be detrimental.

3/17/2009 4:48:17 PM

toothache

1) Neither.
2) Zero. (see above)
3) There aren't any. Heck, i'll wager that not even Duane Gish can make up nine.
4) What?! I can't even comprehend the thought processes that went into that question.
5) All of thwm came from pre-existing structures-which came first I'll admit ignorance to-it's not as if we had a patch of skin on the parent and a modern eye on the offspring.
6) See above.
7) Genetic difference, chromosome numbers, simple mechanics, means of reproduction...
8) Cloacal valves in lizards. Where's my money?
9) They aren't. Where's my money?
10) Coins require a creator-they don't reproduce. Animals do. See the difference? (Note: if anyone can derive an equation, they're a better man than me. Mind, that's not saying much)
11) Fossils are. Ask John Pendleton.
12) Creationists' CNS. There's got to be 50 bits there.
13) Where's my fucking money? Don't make me send the boys round.
14) It's not. Life is abundant.
15) Why should it? Biological evolution doesn't say that a phenotype should be optimised for a particular environment. Wouldn't that be a sign of intelligent design.

-Sorry about the tl;dr post, this just annoyed me.

3/17/2009 4:48:57 PM

No One

whoa... How did I manage to do a double post seven minutes apart from the first?

We really need an edit button...

3/17/2009 4:49:02 PM

Paschal Wagner

Hey, making up questions that have been answered centuries ago as if they were not is fun!

16. If the Earth is round, how come Australians don't fall off?
17. If light is really waves, why is the bottom of the sea dark?
18. If the little black box always survives plane crashes, why don't they build the whole plane out of that material?
19. If education really works, why am I still a complete idiot?

3/17/2009 4:51:14 PM

MK

3. The first false assumption is that there are false assumptions about it.

7. If you actually taught anything about evolution, or even just genetics, you'd know why.

9. They're not missing. You simply don't accept something labeled "transitional" as actually being such.

10. Organic life has one or more energy sources to propel its inner workings and growth. Metals do not.

12. Why 50? What, did you pull that number out of your appendix? Or perhaps from your tail-bone.

13. Because a) no such reward offer has been made, b) if there actually were a demand for a million dollars for every piece of evidence provided in support of evolution, the reward-donors would be in debt up to the hundreds of billions by now.

14. Under populated? By what standards?


3/17/2009 4:51:34 PM

werewolf

I'd rather not. Silly questions elicit silly answers.

3/17/2009 4:52:16 PM

Shadow Boxer

I've just been over there looking through that site. Most of it's just typical creationist misinformation.
The reward they speak of is to provide 5 living species which show a transition from the first to the fifth. Pretty much impossible, I think, if you understand even a little about evolution. But that's what these offers are always like - either make impossible demands, or ignore any actual evidence presented.

3/17/2009 4:55:01 PM



1. Neither
2. See #1
3. None
4. Because evolution doesn't have goals, plans, nor memory
5. the brain's/nervous system's "interpretation of light"
6. Still open for debate
7. As species diverge, they lose the ability to, successfully, mate with others
8. No living organism can be limited to only five stages of evolution
9. There are thousands of transitional forms, both living and extinct
10. Coins are made of inanimate material
11. Fossils, coal, and oil are being formed today
12. I don't think the human body has 50 vestigial organs/appendages
13. Because the "challenges" are worded in such, loaded, unscientific terms that no scientist could ever claim them
14. The Earth is not underpopulated
15. See #4

That was easy but, I feel dirty.

3/17/2009 4:56:11 PM

Captain Obvious

1. Which evolved first, male or female?
Neither you boob. Early organisms were hermaphroditic

2. How many millions of years elapsed between the first male and first female?
once more, none idiot.

3. List at least 9 of the false assumptions made with radioactive dating methods.
[b]1. That reality is real
2. That we can measure things in reality
3. That a magic sky fairy isn't altering the results
4. That an evil underground goat man isn't altering the result
5. That scientists aren't all part of an enormous conspiracy

4. Why hasn't any extinct creature re-evolved after millions of years?
Creatures go extinct because they are not suited to the environment. Better yet, we should be asking why your sky god allowed these creatures to be inferior in the first place.

5. Which came first:
...the eye,
...the eyelid,
...the eyebrow,
...the eye sockets,
...the eye muscles,
...the eye lashes,
...the tear ducts,
...the brain's interpretation of light?
First came a patch of light sensitive cells. Then the cells became indented. Then came a crude iris, like a pinhole camera. Each stage has it's own advantages over each stage before it. Eye evolution is well documented and we have plenty of examples of each intermediary step. Fuck off.

6. How many millions of years between each in question 5?
I'm afraid I don't know at the moment. Some of them are a little odd to be asking about. Tear ducts, eyebrows and eyelashes are unnecessary to having eyes.

7. If we all evolved from a common ancestor, why can't all the different species mate with one another and produce fertile offspring?
Because if you add up enough genetic mutations the two species become incompatible. That's why Horses and Donkeys can produce Mules, but the Mule is sterile.

8. List any of the millions of creatures in just five stages of its evolution showing the progression of a new organ of any kind. When you have done this, you can collect the millions of dollars in rewards offered for proof of evolution!
Why 5 stages? And once it's grown a new organ it probably isn't going to be the same creature anymore. Either way, here is 6 stages of evolution from blindness to our Eyes.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Diagram_of_eye_evolution.svg


9. Why is it that the very things that would prove Evolution (transitional forms) are still missing?
They aren't missing you idiot. Have you ever heard of...

Tiktaalik? A tetrapod precursor to reptiles that had simple wrist bones and fingers in it's fins. Showing that they were weight bearing.

Or Dimetrodon? A Synapsid, which means it shares traits with both mammals and reptiles. Do those not count as transitional forms?


10. Explain why something as complex as human life could happen by chance, but something as simple as a coin must have a creator. (Show your math solution.)
The probability that life exists is (drum roll please)

1

That's right. Life exists, if it did not we would not be here worrying about it. Either way the chance of anything happening ever is remotely tiny. Probability has no bearing on biology.

And we know a coin needs a maker because WE make them. And anyway, inanimate objects do not reproduce, so they cannot evolve. We do reproduce, so we know that we can evolve.


11. Why aren't any fossils or coal or oil being formed today?
They probably are being formed. Except it takes a LONG ASS TIME for things to fossilize. There is no way anything would fossilize within our own lifetimes.

12. List 50 vestigial or useless organs or appendages in the human body.
50??? Are you totally bonkers? I don't think we even have that many organs. Shut the hell up.

13. Why hasn't anyone collected the millions of dollars in rewards for proof of evolution?
They've tried. But the people running the contests won't admit to the evidence. When confronted they move the goalposts.

"Oh we didn't mean find ONE vestigial organ. We meant you had to find FIFTY."

"Oh no, that doesn't count as a transitional form, it's just a freaky bird lizard thing. God just made it weird and freaky to test our faith!"


14. If life began hundreds of millions of years ago, why is the earth still under populated?
Who said we are underpopulated? We already have way too many fucking humans. Enough that we are driving other animals into extinction.

Anyway, any animals that breeds too quickly creates too much competition and exhausts it's food supplies. Nothing like that would be an evolutionary advantage. Something that could breed enough to overpopulate the ENTIRE PLANET is doomed to extinction.


15. Why hasn't evolution duplicated all species on all continents?
Because those different continents have different environments. What is successful one place won't be successful in others. Actually this is evidence FOR evolution, not against.

If we found two pockets of the exact same animal on two different continents, and they hadn't been in contact for millions of years, yet they were still the same? That would be evidence for Intelligent Design.

It's a good thing we've never found anything like that.


3/17/2009 4:59:36 PM



Here's my quiz;

1. Test creationism scientifically.

If you fail it, I ask you why we should take your pseudoscientific babblings seriously.


3/17/2009 5:01:48 PM

Vince

This is the kind of thing that crushes my faith in humanity and infinitely strengthens my faith in science.

3/17/2009 5:06:22 PM

Tina

Why 50? O.o If God made us just as he wanted us to be, we shouldn't have ANY. Explain wisdom teeth and the appendix and the fact that people need to have their tonsils and appendix removed when they become harmful, tailbone (and some babies are born with fully formed tails), foot and back problems that plague us but no other bipedal species, goosebumps...

3/17/2009 5:06:32 PM

tracer

You left out:

* If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?
* Where is the Missing Link? and
* Why has a dog never given birth to a cat?


If you'd have left them in, you would've won the Strawman Army of the Month award.

3/17/2009 5:16:38 PM

EvoPagan

You failed at #1. There's no point in going any further.

3/17/2009 5:17:10 PM

C_V


why 50 useless/vestigial organs? isn't just one (the appendix maybe?) proof that your gawd didn't design anything?

3/17/2009 5:21:26 PM
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