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State Rep. Leo Berman (R-Tyler) proposed House Bill 2800 when he learned that The Institute for Creation Research (ICR), a private institution that specializes in the education and research of biblical creationism, was not able to receive a certificate of authority from Texas' Higher Education Coordinating Board to grant Master of Science degrees.

Berman's bill would allow private, non-profit educational institutions to be exempt from the board’s authority.

“I don’t believe I came from a salamander that crawled out of a swamp millions of years ago,” Berman told FOXNews.com. "I do believe in creationism. I do believe there are gaps in evolution.

"But when you ask someone who believes in evolution, if you ask one of the elitists who believes in evolution about the gaps, they’ll tell you that the debate is over, that there is no debate, evolution is the thing, it’s the only way to go.”

TX State Rep. Leo Berman (R-Tyler), FOXNews.com 75 Comments [3/22/2009 11:17:12 AM]
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Captain Obvious

Thank my non-existent god that the Texas board didn't give those idiots the ability to hand out science degrees.

Theology degrees I could see. But they are not teaching science.

And no Mr. Berman. The "gaps" you people are so fond of pointing out have been filled in for ages. We've already given you the answers but you keep refusing to see them. Plugging your ears and closing your eyes doesn't make the evidence go away.

3/22/2009 11:22:07 AM

Zabimaru

There are plenty of much bigger gaps in the theory of gravitation, yet you do not question that things fall when dropped.

Gaps in our knowledge about something does not mean that it isn't true. Gaps are what we do research on and discuss, and then fill in with the new knowledge we obtain.

We don't give up, shrug our shoulders, go "Well, I don't know how this happened, must have been that goddidit."

That kind of thinking lead nowhere when people looked at thunderstorms, couldn't understand it and said that Thor or Zeus or some other God was the cause.

It lead nowhere when we said that volcanoes were punishments from God.

And it leads to nowhere if we have educational institutions who say "God created us: the bible says it, I believe it, that settles it." There's no research to be done there.

3/22/2009 11:26:54 AM

Papabear

"Berman's bill would allow private, non-profit educational institutions to be exempt from the board’s authority."

Oh, that sounds like such a good idea.

“I don’t believe I came from a salamander that crawled out of a swamp millions of years ago,” Berman told FOXNews.com. "I do believe in creationism. I do believe there are gaps in evolution."

But that's not science. One is entitled to one's own opinion, but not one's own facts.

"But when you ask someone who believes in evolution, if you ask one of the elitists who believes in evolution about the gaps, they’ll tell you that the debate is over, that there is no debate, evolution is the thing, it’s the only way to go."

And when one asks creationists about facts supporting creation, they bring up irrelevent gaps in fossil data supporting the ToE, or simply quote Bible passages.

Keep your idiot religion in your churches and don't contaminate science with such drivel.



3/22/2009 11:26:56 AM

enna

Creationism is not science. It's wishful thinking with a lot of arrogance.

3/22/2009 11:31:04 AM

peabody

Let me get this straight - if this passes, I could theoretically move to Texas, start a non-profit "educational" institution, and start handing out M.S. degrees to whoever wants one? Am I getting that right?

3/22/2009 11:35:31 AM

Giveitaday

Part of me hopes it passes... Just so the Texas legislature gets to see the clusterfuck they have caused. There are pleanty of non-profit educational organizations in TX and they will start handing out PhD's and Masters degrees like candy. This is some of the most shortsighted legislation that I have ever seen, and if it passes then nobody with a degree from Texas will be taken seriously for a long time, even those who actually went to a real school and earned their degree.

3/22/2009 11:37:09 AM

ausador

Yeah, lets all go back to the dark ages...because everything was so wonderful then. The church needs moar power!!!

3/22/2009 11:47:02 AM

LDM

Good, I'll move to Texas and start a Flying Spaghetti Monster Institute.

3/22/2009 11:49:27 AM

Dale

“I don’t believe I came from a salamander that crawled out of a swamp millions of years ago,”

You didn't, you illiterate moron.

3/22/2009 11:55:46 AM

Thejebusfire

"I don’t believe I came from a salamander that crawled out of a swamp millions of years ago"

No, you would much rather believe that you came from a rib woman and a dirt man 6000 years ago.

""But when you ask someone who believes in evolution, if you ask one of the elitists who believes in evolution about the gaps, they’ll tell you that the debate is over, that there is no debate, evolution is the thing, it’s the only way to go.”"

Creationists tell me the exact same thing. God did it, read the bible, it's all there, end of story.

3/22/2009 12:12:16 PM

aaa

Sir, disrespecting smart people is not very good to your career.

3/22/2009 12:15:41 PM

Dexter

I don’t believe I came from a salamander that crawled out of a swamp millions of years ago

Me thinks, you are still there...

3/22/2009 12:17:18 PM



Fundie Dictionary

Elitist: Somebody who went to 9th grade and took biology.

3/22/2009 12:24:44 PM

Headache

Creationism....

It's like the smell you know... The smell after a long night out partying and eating some suspect food which along with the alcohol made your stomach churn all night long and when you finally wake up, thirsty a hell, headache throbbing, with that rumbling feeling in your stomach and you finally sit down to take a dump and the runs is on... That smell... That's what creationism smell like!


3/22/2009 12:29:57 PM

Sayna

Agree with the "Fundie Dictionary" thing. That was the one thing that really amused me about this quote!

3/22/2009 12:47:22 PM

anevilmeme

Your belief is irrelevant to the discussion, it's over. All the available evidence supports the theory of evolution and only the theory of evolution. Reality isn't a multiple choice question, get over it.

3/22/2009 12:52:05 PM

Dr. Razark

Yeesh. This is the reason I hated that f-ing town. Tyler was full of these idiots. I'm glad I'm out of that town.

As for Mr. Berman, I believe you are the elitist.

You believe you know so much more than biologists and geologists who spent YEARS getting degrees based on actually studying the material, and learning, and thinking. They devoted years to developing their knowledge and abilities. And you, sir, already know more than those who have EARNED REAL DEGREES?

I rather think not. If these people want to get a degree based on religious crap, they can. But don't even think of calling it science.

Go buy a doctorate from a diploma mill, like me.

3/22/2009 12:59:09 PM



Great so their are going to be a lot of idiots out there with a M.S. degree.

3/22/2009 1:18:38 PM

Porter

God it pisses me off how imbeciles can have these views of the world. ELITIST? WTF?
More like someone who graduated high school biology. Fuck, the only good thing about Texas is AronRa. Evolution may not be the way to go, if new evidence undermines the current theory.
Creationism doesn't have evidence and in this case evolution is the way to go. Just because this "elitist" person is someone you dislike, Congressman Berman, does not mean that what he says is any less true, you fuckwit.

3/22/2009 1:21:13 PM

Idgas

The solution is simple. Universities need to start rejecting all applicants from public schools in states that promote pseudo-science as well as religious schools that reject science.




3/22/2009 1:28:02 PM

BobsOldSocks

"Berman's bill would allow private, non-profit educational institutions to be exempt from the board’s authority."

But the ICR is *not* an educational institution, unless peddling lies has somehow become acceptable academic practice. Teaching children to be liars, to be ignorant and closed-minded, should *never* be tolerated and all decent and honest people - religious or otherwise - should stand up and fight this iniquity.

No more lies for Jesus!

"“I don’t believe I came from a salamander that crawled out of a swamp millions of years ago,”"

Your ignorance is showing. Whether you believe that evolution takes place or not is of no relevance; evolution is a big, fat, hairy *FACT* and no amount of bible-bashing mendacity will change that *FACT*. I feel sorry for your children.

""But when you ask someone who believes in evolution, if you ask one of the elitists who believes in evolution about the gaps, they’ll tell you that the debate is over, that there is no debate, evolution is the thing, it’s the only way to go.”"

I don't "believe" in evolution, I accept the evidence - the hulking great Everest of evidence - for the *FACT* of evolution. Populations change over time and that *FACT* is no more incompatible with a belief in a deity than using Germ Theory (which makes great use of the Theory of Evolution!) to save lives.

Grow up and stop lying.

3/22/2009 1:35:38 PM

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3/22/2009 1:36:37 PM

Table Rock

I guess they think the word "Science" in "Master of Science" is there just for decoration.

3/22/2009 2:35:53 PM

a mind far far away

But when you ask someone who believes in evolution, if you ask one of the elitists who believes in evolution

He thinks those who accept the reality of evolution are elitists? Irony is a cruel mistress.

they’ll tell you that the debate is over, that there is no debate, evolution is the thing, it’s the only way to go.

See, now you're getting it.

3/22/2009 2:43:51 PM

Captain Britannica

Am I right in thinking there is no chance of this shit passing, and it's just the usual idiot gramdstanding that seems to take up far too much time in state legislatures?

3/22/2009 2:52:29 PM
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