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["How widespread was the pagan baal cult in the ancient world circa 1000 bc?..."]

...'Ba'al is a title applied to several different localized Western Semitic Fertility cult deities - Hebrew prophets see them all as one big monstrous abomination, which is correct.

The best movie version showing what a fertility cult world is like is Mel Gibson's Apocalypto. Both Mayans and Aztecs practiced human sacrifice fertility cults, as did a number of other American Indian tribes, many Polynesians, some southeast Asians, and a number of sub-Saharan Africans.

As Christianity - which is the force that ended all those fertility cult abominations around the globe - has become effeminate, limp-wristed, and defensively determined to see great good in all other religions and cultures, child sacrifice has been making a comeback.

ole Jake, Grace Centered Christian Forums 47 Comments [3/26/2009 1:07:13 PM]
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Zeus Almighty

Ummm, but what about all the people burned at the stake by "christians?"
Or those who were hung as witches by "christians?" (Although there are no witches, at least not in the sense of witches who cast evil spells and turn people into newts).

3/26/2009 1:12:07 PM

Thinking Allowed

child sacrifice has been making a comeback.

Citation needed please.

*Jake probably mean abortion knowing fundies.

3/26/2009 1:13:55 PM


@Zeus Almighty, going under the assumption that you were making the Monty Python reference that I immediately saw in your text:

"She turned me into a newt!"
"A newt?"
"Well... I got better..."

3/26/2009 1:16:54 PM

Zeus Almighty

@ Zabimaru

Yes, I was.
"So, if she weighs the same as a duck ... she is made of wood?"

3/26/2009 1:22:50 PM


...Wait, you're going to use a controversial, exaggerated portrayal of medieval Mesoamerican culture to convey a bronze-age Mesopotamian culture that didn't exist?? And then apply it to other societies and locales and slander them with human sacrifices they don't commit?? You're an anthropologist's nightmare!

Topping it off by saying 'We should go back to burning witches!' doesn't help your cause, either.

3/26/2009 1:28:03 PM


As Christianity - which is the force that ended all those fertility cult abominations around the globe

I find it odd that you don't mention how christianity ended those fertility cults. Oh, that's right, You ended them by murdering the people who belonged to those cults. I can see how you wouldn't want that to get out, what with that annoying Thou shalt not murder." commandment. And then there's all that lying for jesus... I wonder how you rationalize that away?

has become effeminate, limp-wristed, and defensively determined to see great good in all other religions and cultures,

Only because it was dragged kicking and screaming into a world that is no longer willing to allow it free reign to opress and murder those who disagree.

child sacrifice has been making a comeback

Yes, sadly it has made a big comeback in africa. But is because of christianity, not in spite of it. They've got all these christian holy men and preachers running around kill children because your holy book says "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live". There is no abuse of human rights that any other religion has commited that can't also be laid at the feet of christianity has well.

3/26/2009 1:31:10 PM

Oy Vey!

"...child sacrifice has been making a comeback."

From what deep dark part of your anatomy did you pull this little gem?

3/26/2009 1:33:12 PM

Zeus Almighty

You mean limp-wristed, effiminate christians like Ted Haggard?

3/26/2009 1:45:25 PM


Apocalypto was the most idiotic piece of tripe I've ever had the misfortune to be subjected to.

And I'm sure you have some news stories about all the baby sacrifices, right? I mean surely you wouldn't just be making shit up, because that's a sin.

3/26/2009 1:46:17 PM


By fundie logic, I am sure I am sacrificing children to the shower drain whenever I jack off between shampoo and conditioning...

3/26/2009 1:49:07 PM


This is just all kinds of stupid from so many directions, my head feels a bit light.

3/26/2009 2:05:40 PM


Because I'm going to believe what a movie by a Christian tells me about ancient "barbaric" practices. May I suggest you do some reading in the readily available anthropological literature (lay versions or hard-core academic, whatever you're inclined to pick up)? I'm not saying you're -entirely- wrong in content, but you really need to use credible sources for your information *ahem*.

May I also suggest you take a good hard look at the loudest group of Christians? If you think they're trying really hard to see the good in others, you're obviously blind.

3/26/2009 2:32:38 PM


Freaked out by:
Religions that worshipped godesses? Check.
Christianity becoming "effeminate"? Check.

Can we have a Gynephobics for Christ award?

3/26/2009 2:45:45 PM


Mayans and Aztecs certainly knew how to sacrifice the still-beating heart of their captives to stone idols, to a level that WAS pretty much over the top. (I can't claim to be an expert in their history, but what I do know absolutely points in that direction.) Their temples needed special plumbing to accommodate all the blood that flowed. I don't see it as a bad thing that LESS bloodthirsty religions put an end to all that. Like the different practices during Winter Solstice that have been subsumed into a milder set of events where you eat gingerbread men and drink a little wine and be social, not eat real people and get so loaded for a week that you don't recover till February.

But the maybe same force that ended all those abominations will also end what is called 'Christianity'. If we don't bomb ourselves / poison ourselves / plague ourselves / starve ourselves before then. As for "child sacrifice making a comeback", maybe ole Jake should acquaint himself with reality. That will happen around the same time that he accepts that he has some homosexual tendencies, like most insecure fundies.

3/26/2009 3:02:27 PM


If the Quiverful movement isn't a fertility cult I don't know what is.

And for the Pope's recent bullshit about condoms, that's a naked attempt to out-breed the opposition...

3/26/2009 3:02:49 PM

Space Lizard

Ba'al? Why, Ba'al is the only major system lord to survive the series. I dunno why Hebrew prophets would talk about him.

3/26/2009 3:04:45 PM


And for the Pope's recent bullshit about condoms, that's a naked attempt to out-breed the opposition...

Check out what the Judean Popular Peoples' Front has been up to :


3/26/2009 3:04:54 PM


3/26/2009 3:19:59 PM

Mel Gibson's Apocalypto was terribly researched.

3/26/2009 3:42:36 PM

Tolpuddle Martyr

Numbers 15:32-36: Young boy killed for collecting firewood on the Sabbath.
2 Samuel 21: Five boys hanged on a hilltop to appease God.
Book of Job: Job's entire frickin' family was sacrificed just to test Job's loyalty.
And of course Abraham was asked to sacrifice his son, but was stopped just before the knife went down - so it's all ok right?

And that's not counting the ethnic cleansing, arbitrary and brutal punishments, or the flood.

Still, no one in their right mind would call a life-despising, fire and brimstone, genocidal war god like Yahweh a "fertility" god.

3/26/2009 3:43:58 PM

the old firm

You take a film made by Mel Gibson as groundwork for your analysis??? Oh the humanity...

3/26/2009 4:02:52 PM

Doctor Whom

Jephthah's daughter? Never heard of her.

3/26/2009 4:09:35 PM


Not reading your OT very carefully are you, Jake?

3/26/2009 4:17:31 PM


Yet more evidence that homeschooling is bad.

3/26/2009 4:34:22 PM


Uhh, Your religion is also replete with sacrifices, both animal and child.

Mel Gibson's movie was a work of fiction just like your bible. It's no wonder you cleave unto it.

3/26/2009 4:45:35 PM

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