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Fucking idiot...but then again he has twats lining up to give him money..
3/29/2009 2:12:03 AM
Your analogy couldn't be more fucking backwards if you tried.
Semmelweis (who I assume you're referring to, since you've not bothered to give a single goddamn name, let alone a citation - I'll give you the benefit of vanishingly small doubt and assume you did actually know the name of the man responsible for that fundamental discovery) rejected the long held traditions and prevailing thoughts of the time because rational analysis of empirical evidence led to a completely different conclusion - and he was ridiculed and ultimately died incarcerated in a nuthouse because of the authorities' baseless incredulity and refusal to accept overwhelming statistical evidence of his arguments. This is the exact fucking opposite of the claims you're inexplicably trying to use him to support, that we should unthinkingly submit to ancient tradition without demanding a shred of evidence or even a coherent logical argument for its validity.
3/29/2009 2:29:00 AM
Why, oh why, didn't God write it into the bible about Vitamin C and hand-washing? It would have made such a difference. Instead we got bullshit about mixed fibres.
3/29/2009 2:33:11 AM
Ancient Egyptian doctors practiced handwashing and sanitary measures. They didn't know about bacteria, they just knew the patients did better in a cleanly environment.
This post is just one epic fail after another.
If idiots like this aren't proof of evolution, I don't know what is.
3/29/2009 2:39:49 AM
Sometimes I think that David lives in his reality 4000 BC.
3/29/2009 3:35:01 AM
So the notion that doctors today practice proper hygiene proves intelligent design. Ten patients who got hepatitis from unsterilized colonoscopy equipment at a Tennessee VA hospital would like to have a word with you, and your god.
3/29/2009 4:47:24 AM
"approximately 4,000 B.C"
I thought most YECs were far more precise than that in fact they say the early evening of October the 23rd 4004 B.C.
3/29/2009 4:48:11 AM
Ironic that you mention vitamin C. Most mammals can make their own vitamin C. Humans can't, we carry the gene to do so but it's not active. Some divine plan huh?
3/29/2009 5:12:18 AM
a mind far far away
I was going to cry at this idiots stupidity until I seen who it was, and that made me laugh. Thanks Davey boy, for another of your wonderful insights into the mind of the ignorant. They always make me smile.
3/29/2009 5:14:44 AM
"The truth is that evolutionists are hardhearted against the truth of God's Word"
That is your god hardening our hearts, depriving us of our free will and innocence just so he can maliciously punish us later.
The god of love.
3/29/2009 6:00:01 AM
I saw a documentary on the History channel about Nostradamus. He was also a doctor as well as a seer. He lost he wife and 2 children and took care of other people with the plague and never caught it himself. He wasn't of the thought that it was from God or the devil and that if people washed their hands and got rid of the garbage on the streets everyone might be better off. (He never figured it out it was from the rats, but he was close with the garbage).
But unfortunately, the Pope, I think, or some big Cardinal spent a few weeks in a room with fires all around him and he never got the plague either. So the superstitous people of the day sided with the Pope that it was a God/demon inflicted disease.
Us humans are pretty smart and curious. I know we could have been alot farther and sooner in our medical and science knowledge if the church hadn't gone around charging everyone with heresy (sp?) if you had a different thought from them.
It's people like our friend David who are trying to pull us back into the dark ages and I really don't understand why anyone would think that is good for humanity.
3/29/2009 6:38:35 AM
Fossil record. Cave paintings. Tools. Statues. Buildings.
3/29/2009 6:58:49 AM
It's hard to imagine that millions of people were dying from a simple lack of ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) just a couple hundred years ago.
And it's hard to imagine why God would design us and chimps with a gene for making vitamin C but leave a few errors in it so it doesn't work. That's like putting broken spark plugs in a diesel engine.
3/29/2009 7:12:48 AM
Welcome back, David. It's nice to hear from you again, but please stop spouting all this hand-washing/billion years bullshit. You're so much more comical when you rail against little girls (I hesitate to suggest they are your intellectual and moral equals, if only because I have nieces who would be deeply offended by such a comparison).
Just one point for you to consider. The Celts may not have known about germ theory, but they did have strict laws regarding the placement and running of hospital facilities before major battles. None of it was documented before the sixth century but the Brehon laws are believed to go back at least a thousand years before then.
3/29/2009 8:06:32 AM
Jezebel's Evil Sister
If there were any "truthiness" in God's Word™, it would have told us about the importance of such things as washing our hands and consuming sufficient amounts of Vitamin C thousands of years ago instead of just spewing forth ridiculous myths that only fools could believe.
3/29/2009 9:06:55 AM
I think that most doctors are quacks and Davey here is full of shit.
What does that make me!?!?!?
3/29/2009 9:11:30 AM
So, if hand washing is so important why didn't god tell us about it in the babble? You'd think that a just and loving god would want his creation to be fit and healthy and not die from rotten abscesses.
Also, in Greek and Roman times (before christians got a good foothold) they performed surgery in virtually aseptic conditions. Obviously they knew about hand washing and boiling knives and such. They could amputate limbs with very little chance of infection, perform c-sections, perform trepanning operations etc. Funnily enough, when the christians destroyed classical literature and texts other than the bible hygiene went out the window. With theists in charge a man could die from a paper cut. Well done assholes.
3/29/2009 9:43:41 AM
That's nothing! David Stewart's logic says Australian Aboriginals haven't been around for more than 300 years, because they have no 'history' before then.
(The Dreamtime is not history.)
3/29/2009 9:50:58 AM
6000 years is also ridiculously long time to learn "kindergarden lessons." Beside, it's easy and idiotic to think people morons for not knowing something someone else told you without you have to figure it out for yourself.
3/29/2009 10:00:39 AM
Wasnt it just the god fering Europeans who didnt bathe? I remember in Shogun they were always shocked at how the Europeans stank.
3/29/2009 11:48:16 AM
People did know about hand washing and vitamin C. But they were dirty heathens who didn't know the true word of god, so they were ignored.
3/29/2009 12:00:19 PM
He's right about one thing....there's no 'history' as such before around 3500 BC, because writing hadn't been invented. But we have archaelogical and palaeontological remains dating back much further.
As to the rest, it's complete bullshit. Populations and societies have to reach a certain critical mass before technological progress really takes off. How come Aborigines or North American Indians never developed cities or advanced technology before the arrival of Europeans? Because there just weren't enough of them to develop mass societies. Even in Europe, technology and scientific knowledge developed very slowly until the Renaissance, then somewhat more quickly up until the Industrial Revolution, then development suddenly accelerated at an amazing rate over the last 150 years or so. Are people smarter now than they were just a few centuries ago? I don't think so. It's just that populations grew big enough and societies grew sophisticated enough, with enough resources, to focus on developing an advanced level of knowledge.
3/29/2009 12:04:00 PM
The Egyptian civilization spanned 3,500 years.
And what's with the hand-washing crapola? I've got along fine all these years without it.
3/29/2009 12:21:33 PM
Unless you think that the scientific world has been saying Humans lived in one form of civilization or another for their entire existence, what does this have to do with anything? You claim that it took Humans almost six thousand years to learn proper sanitary practices and then you go on to acknowledge that Human development has been a series of baby-steps. Well guess what, genius? Not too long before that, the concept of operating on another Human being alluded us for thousands of years as well and as did the concept of settling down in farming communities which would allow Humanity to take their focus off of their day-to-day survival. What's sad is that your lame brain argument against this reality supports it perfectly - If we were to believe your claim, Humans could not have possibly existed more than 6,000 years because they took so long to figure out about bacteria, but they couldn't possibly have also taken a long time to learn that they had a chance to save people by operating on them or they couldn't possibly have taken a long time to learn to develop a society which allows them to not only sit around and think about these things, but eventually allowed them to spread knowledge easily between populations. You seriously don't see the contradiction?
3/29/2009 12:33:16 PM
I know! This is so cool , I am teaching a lesson around it! GOD ALWAYS LEAVES PROOF!
3/29/2009 2:05:48 PM
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