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Are you aware that "ALL CULTURES BEGAN SUDDENLY" and were fully developed? A long preliminary period is not supported by archaeology. Before cities on earth, there was nothing. There was no transition whatsoever between the ancient civilizations and any primitive forebearers. They were at their peak from the beginning. :

...Great cities, enormous temples, pyramids of overwhelming size. Colossal statues with tremendous expressive power. Luxurious tunnels and tombs. Splendid streets flanked by magnificent sculpture, perfect drainage systems. A decimal system at the very start. A ready-made writing, already perfected. A well established naming system (in which each Pharaoh had as many as five names). Society already divided into specialist classes. An army, civil service and hierarchy minutely organized. A court exhibiting all the indications of well-defined precedence and form. Egypt came from a clearly established civilization.

The only conclusions that can be drawn from the evidence is that,1 Each of the first civilizations appeared suddenly, already fully developed. 2) That a connection existed between them. 3) Their footprints led back to the Middle East mountains where Noah and his family left the Ark.

Chris Parker, Ooparts 78 Comments [3/28/2009 7:42:39 PM]
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Are you aware that "ALL CULTURES BEGAN SUDDENLY" and were fully developed?

No, I wasn't aware of that. Chiefly, I think, because it's complete rubbish.

Oh wait, you've typed it ALL IN CAPITALS. That's different, I guess I have to admit I was wrong then.

3/28/2009 11:00:05 PM


At a guess, I'd say basic mud and straw huts don't tend to last as long as massive stone structures.

Also, the idea that people will just build on old sites when the building is no longer useful is crazy talk.

3/28/2009 11:35:21 PM


After countless millenia of humans being hunters/gatherers, they did stop and build rude villages that grew into cities over more countless millenia.

As for advances, just look at human history for the past 2000 yrs or so. People went from thinking illnesses were caused by 'demons', and know now they are caused by virii and bacteria.

3/28/2009 11:41:41 PM

Thinking Allowed

This Rock Art associated with Nez Perce and pre-Nez Perce tribes consists of hundreds of images in dense clusters dating from 4500 years ago. The tribes that carved these were nomadic. Sorry, no colossal statues, or enormous temples and pyramids or anything else associated with any ancient cities. But they did have culture. Sorry Chris, but you fail.

3/28/2009 11:46:36 PM

Tolpuddle Martyr

So the Mayans walked from Mount Ararat to Mexico before they decided to build pyramids. That's quite a hike just to find some good real estate.

3/29/2009 12:11:05 AM

Seek help...or up the meds..

3/29/2009 2:13:28 AM


Earth: just one giant Sim City game.

3/29/2009 2:43:09 AM


So let me get this straight. Eight people hopped right off the ark and started immediately building huge full-fledged civilizations. What did they build them with? Psychogod had just destroyed the whole earth, remember? And what did these eight people and those few pairs of animals eat?

Didn't think this one through, didja?

3/29/2009 4:41:14 AM


"A ready-made writing, already perfected"

And yet the Inca, with their great pyramids and mountain cities, had not writing system at all. they only possessed a system of coloured ropes that we are still unable to translate.

3/29/2009 4:46:11 AM


You've been playing too much Civilization, haven't you?

3/29/2009 5:13:16 AM


A decimal system at the very start.


3/29/2009 5:29:20 AM

This is freaking pathetic. Read something other than the Bible sometime.

3/29/2009 5:55:05 AM


"A ready-made writing, already perfected?"

What does that mean? If you mean a language, which one of the 1000's do you mean?

Please don't say English :)

3/29/2009 6:48:53 AM


Egypt had many "advanced" things long before 2348 BC when Noah's Flood is said to have occurred according to Bishop Ussher. So did China.

And what about all the stone age tools that have been found all over the world?

3/29/2009 7:34:35 AM


Well,the cave paintings that you can find in europe (for example france) don´t point to a highly developed civilization, same goes for the multitude of other archaelogical findings from this time in history ;)
Also egyptian chronicles neither mention a global flood nor some jewish slaves causing plagues on egypt because pharaoh wont set them free (and we also have no indication about a whole army of chariots getting annihilated because they dared to pursue said slaves).

And we also know about the predynastic periods of egypt, more than 5000 years ago, when there weren´t large stone buildings yet, but just small farming communities who knew about animal husbandry and pottery ;)

3/29/2009 7:56:06 AM


mkb totally wins an internet.

3/29/2009 8:03:52 AM



Or some of the colonials decided "y'know what? Farming sucks, let's just build cities and coffee shops again"

3/29/2009 8:19:59 AM

the old firm

@mkb: Don't forget the mitochondrial Eva...^^

@Chris Parker: You started of wrong and wen downhill from there.

3/29/2009 8:39:16 AM

Think I'll print this post out, shred it up, and spread it on my vegetable garden. Should get a bumper crop.

3/29/2009 8:49:01 AM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

Those who fail to learn the lessons of history ...

... are doomed to litter the Internet with bat-shit insanity.

3/29/2009 9:19:52 AM



Clearly the world is one big game of Civ. The last Civ to try to win a military victory was Germany about sixty or so turns ago, since then the American and Russian civilizations had been trying to use their vassal states, until the vassals gained more land and declared independence.

For a few turns we've been at war with the Arabian civilization, but since they have the world's largest deposits of oil it's been sort of hard to do anything against them.

3/29/2009 9:27:21 AM



As a student of Egyptology I am too incensed to respond to this right now! I'm LIVID!

3/29/2009 9:47:26 AM


Why, why does everyone with a batshit insane theory use my field to justify it? "Soft science" doesn't mean "oh, yes, please, we'll take any crap and like it!"

I can't even tell you how stupid this is, as well as how bigoted. The only way you could even think up a theory like this is by completely ignoring whole continents of people who lacked writing systems, formalized civil services, and large public works. Never mind that my class learned about ancient Egyptians' failed early pyramids in the freakin' fourth grade!

3/29/2009 11:40:55 AM


Vegetation also tends to cover cities when abandoned for any length of time. Mayan stone cities are being found hiding in 'virgin' forest. Less sturdy evidence of man such as wood or mud is easy pickings for determined vines.

3/29/2009 12:14:09 PM

Old Viking

Yes, we know, Chris. Please go away./

3/29/2009 12:35:11 PM

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