[Catholics in my club...]
The attitude of the catholis we have is very mean. When they were bashing the rapture(they said darby started it) friday i ignored them. But when we bought up catholism as a false religion they got offended and fought with us.
I donot know what to do. I cant be fighting with catholics twice a week.
Im so confused. They walk all over us because we are christians.
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No, they criticize your beliefs because they're heretical. They don't, however, call it a "false religion." They get offended because you told them they were.
Calling Catholicism a false religion, and you don't understand why they're offended? Imagine that.
I quit the Catholic church 20 years ago, and I'm offended. I have numerous family and friends that I love very much who are still practicing Catholics. Heritage-wise, I'm very proud of it, practice-wise it just didn't do anything for me.
If anything's false, it's the idea that a bunch of people are just going to shoot up into the sky one day.
(@ Tom S. Fox)
Not only that, but they were the original Christians. If anyone is practicing a second-rate knock-off version of the faith, it's all the other sects, not the Catholics as so many others proclaim.
It were catholics who decided what books should go into the bible you use and which not and, aside from the catholics having some books more in their bibles which protestants left out when they split from the catholic church and aside from the fact that you (american evangelists) use a bible translation from the 16th century that is seen as in many parts inaccurate by modern bible researchers, you use the same holy book as the catholics.
If you use the extrabiblical practices of the catholics (like the reverence of Mary or the church hierarchy) as an argument why catholics are no christians, you shouldn´t call yourself christians as well, after all your belief in the rapture also isn´t part of the bible ;)
So, well, non-christian ciera, maybe you should repent from your sinful ways and try to become a real christian ;)
The Catholics likely walk all over your group because:
1. They are not as ignorant of their religion as your group is of yours.
2. Your group insulted their religion.
3. The Catholics are likely more literate than your group. Even if you are not a representative sample of your group, you still bring down the collective IQ of the group significantly.
A bunch of us schizos at the funny farm were razzing the paranoids in ward 7 about what a false insanity they have, and they went all spaz on us. What are they, crazy or sumpin? Freakin' whackos, I tell ya.
Im so confused.
Please stop mistaking stupidity for confusion.
They walk all over us because we are christians
They are christians you idiot. If there were no catholics then there would be no christians. What, do you think that protestant christianity sprung fully formed in the 17th century with the divine revalation to King James of the entire bible in it's original english?
Are you that ignorant of your religions own history? Darby did start your little death cult and regardless of what you think, you'll not find any historical mention of "the Rapture" before Darby.
Regardless of what you have no doubt been brainwashed into believing, disagreement is not persecution, get over your superiority/inferiority complex and you masochitic claims of persecution and, like millions of your fellow christian, just accept the fact that you are but one of a thousand myriad denomination of the same religion. Or keep fighting amongst youselves, I don't give a fuck.
Okay, WTH. Everything else makes positive *sense* compared to the bit about Darby. How on earth would you argue that it wasn't his idea? Are we going to claim that Scofield had nothing to do with it either, next? How is talking about Darby's influences "bashing" the Rapture? Or are we expected now to believe that Real True Christians have always believed in dispensationalism?
Oh for fuck's sake. Claiming Catholics aren't Christians (but you are) is like claiming your biological Grandfather isn't a human (but you are).
STOP BEING SO DAMN RETARDED, RETARD
When they were bashing the rapture(they said darby started it)
As a 25 year student of xtian theology, I can say that this is true. John Nelson Darby, as well as C.I. Scofield, were the one's who popularized the rapture theory, back in the 19th century. And do you know where they got it? A young girl who claimed to be a prophetess who said that god had taught her that doctrine. The fact that it's no where in the babble should be a clue.
But when we bought up catholism as a false religion they got offended and fought with us.
Fundy fight! Let the good times roll.
I donot know what to do. I cant be fighting with catholics twice a week.
Boo hoo. Then quit fighting. But from the tone of this sentence, it sounds more like you're pissed about the fact that you're tired of fighting, rather than the fighting itself. So sad.
Im so confused. They walk all over us because we are christians
The irony burns. It melts to the core. Damn this is hilarious.
That whole thread is just a gigantic truckload of fail. This is some kind of online club. She was advised to set up a new club with rules like RR--NO DISSENSION! BUZZARDBANHAMMERED!!
Ah, tards on the intertubes. Good times, good times.
Well, if you didn't tell them they're not Christians that would be a good start.
Asked a Catholic friend once to tell me what it is they believe saves them. Her answer? The same as the one you'd give me for that question. They're Christians too, even if their practice of the religion is different [may I point out the dozens upon dozens of other Christian denominations that practice differently from one another, even if they claim to be part of the same subtype (e.g. baptist)].
Oh my goodness, later on she says this:
thank you my family. i just got done with a so called christian who believes in evolution , and told me the rapture was a false doctrine. he led me to a website ran by united church of god(cult) saying the rapture was fake. so i told him evolution is fake and the rapture is real. i gave him the rapture ready website. he told me id get left behind and take the mark of the beast. what a mean guy huh? he also said the catholics are right and he has his own one world religion club(its called christian home clan). good luck to him. ill pray for the two catholics and him the evolution humanist fake christian baptist..
thanks for listening
That's just so precious...
I think it gave me a cavity.
There are but two things you could do, cieralovesantonio.
1. STFU and stop telling others they are following a false religion. While I'm firmly convinced that all religions are false, I don't go around making that pronouncement amog company who wouldn't appreciate it.
2. DIAF eliminate any chance of slipping back into your own petty, judgmental, bigotry.
Rapture Ready - always guaranteed to reduce my faith in humanity.
Their self-righteous bigotry always makes me feel a little sick, they're so up themselves that they don't actually UNDERSTAND how flakey their "god-breathed" babble is.
SHIT, SHIT, SHIT!! that's soured my entire day
These people must literally be incapable of objectivity. They can't even imagine what it must be like to be a different "kind" of person. If you can't see that thinking that people are wrong in having a different belief, despite believing strongly in it, suggests the possibility that you might yourself be wrong, then I'm sorry you're dumb.
And how come we always hear Bill Donahue complaining about atheists making fun of Catholicism, when protestants keep calling them heathens, not Christians, a cult etc etc. All you get when people make fun of you is people laughing at you, which I would prefer to having people think I am in league with the devil.
I guess he knows he can get everyone on his side if he complains about an irreverent atheist who thinks that the religion is stupid, but the people are just people.
Catholic were the original Christianity... think that gives them a good reason to be offended when you call it a false religion.
Also i get the feeling that they didn't bash the rapture, just sensibly talked about it.
"I donot know what to do. I cant be fighting with catholics twice a week.
Dear, oh dear. You modern christians have no staying power. In the good ol' days you'd be arguing with each other daily.
Holy Fucking Christian Wars!
I looked up the Christian Home Clan and sure enough there was a Christian Home (community) Clan on a Gamespot PSP site
His call for clan members here ---
http://au.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26622353&page=0&prev_button=1
mildly amusing so I had a look around Gamespot PSP sites.
There is a whole weird world of weirdness there, but then I could never understand this whole online gaming thingy. The South Park episode about World Of Warcraft was brilliant though.
No wonder people like the OP are so tarded - they fill their heads with shite at RR and then go fill in the gaps with online games! Reality doesn't have a fucking look-in!
Sigh. First off, Catholics are Christian. Secondly, they're debating an aspect of the scriptures with you, whereas you're telling them that their beliefs are wrong and that they're going to hell. There's a bit of a difference between the two.
@ RavenWood: Agreed.
So many of us were raised as catholics before moving on to Pagan religions, and we know their bible better then they do about 99% of the time. They can bash the catholics all they want but theologically, catholics tend to be much more well informed than the average fundy, despite the average fundy claim to the contrary.
'But when we bought up catholism as a false religion they got offended and fought with us.'
BIG SURPRISE, DIPSHIT! What did you expect? Were you expecting them to kiss your RaptureRetard ass & convert to your filthy fundy bullshit?
Grow a BRAIN, raptureretard.
Fine, ok, Catholics aren't Christians. So stop going on about how the US are a Christian nation, because when you take the Catholics out of the statistic you remaining Protestants only amount to just barely 50%.
And it's even worse on a worldwide scale. If you remove the billion Catholics from the total, Christianity comes in fifth, after Islam, combined Atheist/Agnostic, Hinduism, and... yeah you guessed it... Catholicism.
You're therefore officially a minority religion and should act accordingly. Thanks.
That's because they're stating facts, whereas you're using smear tactics, fuckwit. At the very least, learn about the history of your own damned religion before you criticize others for religious reasons!
@xplicit_UK: Damm, you beat me to it. Catholics are Christians, when they fight against against abortion, gay marriage and evolution etc. Other times? Oh well...
LabRat wrote:
"and cieralovesantonio is claiming s/he wants the group to be non-denominational."
"Non-denominational", in my experience, is usually used to mean "protestants who hold most of the same beliefs as my variant of protestantism, but don't use exactly the same label for themselves that we do." Sure, your non-denominational shin-dig will accept not only Baptists, but also Anabaptists, Lutherans, and even a Methodist or two. But not those wacky Episcopalians or (God forbid) a Seventh-Day Adventist! We have to have some standards, after all!
It's kinda like a certain scene from The Blues Brothers :
ELWOOD: "What kind of music do you usually have here?"
CLAIRE: "Oh, we got both kinds. We got country and western."
This "christian vs christian" warfare always reminds me of two kids pretending to have a super hero battle, where no matter what imaginary weapon or power one kid comes up with, the other always has the perfect imaginary countermeasure.
tracer said:
"Sure, your non-denominational shin-dig will accept not only Baptists, but also Anabaptists, Lutherans, and even a Methodist or two. But not those wacky Episcopalians or (God forbid) a Seventh-Day Adventist! We have to have some standards, after all!"
And I would not argue that point at all; I'm sure you are spot on. But I must offer a quibble with the inclusion of Anabaptists in the list, as they are not a denomination but (as the term is currently used) a group of denominations with broadly similar views (sometimes more broad than similar). Some of them the fundies might be wiling to hang out with, but most of them probably not--they include groups like the Amish, the Mennonites, and the like. I suspect even if the fundies would have to do with them, most of the Anabaptists would not be particularly open to dealing with the fundies!
The whole Anabaptist movement(s) are another fascinating piece of church history that I presume the fundies know nothing about. Such pride in ignorance! How do people live like that?
I'm no longer a Catholic because there's no evidence of God, the pro-life, anti-stem-cell position is strongly anti-science, and I refuse to believe I had to be cleansed of the wrondoings of a man who never lived. And I'm offended by this. I was there for over twenty years, and many close family members and friends still are. It's also my past- Irish and French-Canadian mill workers kept it as all they had from the old country. And if you insult anyone, they will be offended. Tell some of my neighbors they have a false religion, and you might get a broken jaw.
Would you have studied History of religions, you would know that you're the heretic(yeah, you just "evolved" from Catholicism, oh the irony), and that a the Rapture is a quite new adding in your collection of retarded beliefs.
How's your attitude, dearie? Are you all "live and let live", puppies and rainbows?
They bash you - they're meanies.
You bash them - why are they offended?
One way to not fight Catholics is to not bring up religion at all.
It's clear you're confused, honey. You belong to the same religion, after all.
You walk all over them because they are Christians.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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