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[Regarding Pagans who objected to an anti-occult article.]

I think your warnings are very much needed. These cults are not religion in any form but they are a perverse, backward and may very well be the largest part of our great nations downfall and what it should stand for. People listen to yourselves! You actually had to be looking for this article to find it. I literally googled "is the occult growing" to find this. You pagans are just voices for your leader satan. Don't you go trying to attack the man of God knowing that what he says is true and being fully aware that your father the devil is the liar. Jesus rebuke you! Mr. Jones pay no mind to these evil ones but keep up the good works of God by exposing the devil and his attacks on our children. May the angels of God bless and protect you.

Hope, Examiner.com comment 52 Comments [3/31/2009 11:02:24 AM]
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The L

There are no words strong enough to express my disgust.

We Wiccans aren't trying to harm Christians in any way or to bring about the fall of Christianity. Nor are we engaging in any of the horrifying practices (cannibalism, mass orgies, pedophilia, incest) that we (and early Christians!) have been accused of. We just want to live and let live without other people forcing their beliefs on us.

Hope, on the other hand, not only wants everyone to believe EXACTLY what she does, she apparently can't fathom the idea of a non-proselytizing religion.

3/31/2009 11:12:12 AM

Lucilius

Hey, sounds just like what the Stoics said about Christianity! Minus the gibberish about "Jesus rebuke you, exposing the devil and angels of God."

But people with no knowledge of history, or their own religion's origin, wouldn't know that – would you?

3/31/2009 11:13:15 AM

perdurabo

/facepalm

Satan is a Xtian concept you moronic cuntbag.

3/31/2009 11:19:27 AM

breakerslion

My cult's invisible sock-puppet leader can beat up your cult's invisible sock-puppet leader!

3/31/2009 11:31:06 AM

Ouabache

I think your warnings are very much needed. These cults are not religion in any form but they are a perverse, backward and may very well be the largest part of our great nations downfall and what it should stand for.

Shiny, shiny mirror!

3/31/2009 11:40:15 AM

Jed Knight

You have now lost any right to demand respect for your faith.

3/31/2009 11:40:30 AM

RavenWood

"The word Occult means “knowledge of the hidden”, or “knowledge of the paranormal”. "

All of this is so hidden, it has a separate section in the book store. 9_9

The entire article is full of effing fail... T_T

@Jed Knight: Well said!

3/31/2009 11:41:47 AM

the old firm

I don't know what is more disgusting: the discussed article or this statement made by "Hope".

How does it "hurt" you, if someone doesn't believe in the same things you do? Come on, you don't need Satan to lead you astray and on the road to perdition. Your hate and fear are sufficient enough.

Just my 2c from the agnostic side.

3/31/2009 11:45:15 AM

Dio Fa

Personally, I like Pagans. I have yet to meet one that has tried to force their beliefs upon me. On the other hand, I have only met two fundamentalist Christians (they are married) in my lifetime who have treated me with the same respect.

If you Google the word "occult", you will find more web pages containing fundamentalist rantings about the "evils" of the occult than you will find pages on the actual subject itself.

This leads me to one conclusion: Christians are afraid that the power of occultists is greater than that of their god.

3/31/2009 11:51:12 AM



"These cults are not religion in any form "

Well of course not, they are a personal relationship with nature.

3/31/2009 11:51:24 AM



Remember, people like Hope brought us the '80s Satanic panic. It would be wise to keep an eye on them.

3/31/2009 11:52:09 AM

CailinBan

But ... but ... but ...

I thought it was the GAYS who were going to lead to the downfall of your great nation.

Make up your minds!

3/31/2009 12:07:34 PM

Efrain

@breakerslion:
Greatest take on the phrase, EVER.

3/31/2009 12:16:08 PM

a mind far far away

Boo hoo hoo. They aren't brainwashed retarded fuckwits like we are. They actually use their brains, and we just gave our away. Boo hoo.

3/31/2009 12:20:20 PM

PWEOTWEB

That whole article is a fucking waste. It just basically says "RAAAAAR pagan bad christianity good".

This writer is a goddamn hack.

3/31/2009 12:24:47 PM

Shadoboy

How come nobody waits to see what God actually has to say about your insanity?

3/31/2009 12:27:57 PM

Doctor Whom

The largest part of our great nations [sic] downfall is paganism. That and same-sex marriage.

The two largest parts of our great nation's downfall are paganism and same-sex marriage. Same-sex marriage and paganism. Paganism and same-sex marriage and abortion.

The three - three! - largest parts of our great nation's downfall are paganism, same-sex marriage, and abortion. And evolution.

I'll come in again.

3/31/2009 12:31:43 PM

Zeus Almighty

"I thought it was the GAYS who were going to lead to the downfall of your great nation."

You beat me to it ...
Personally I can't think of a bigger threat to the future of humanity than the stupids who think man and dinosaur coexisted -- especially since we just had one of those as presidunce for eight years -- or their fundie Islamic/Hindu/etc. counterparts.
Those people who think that ruling a modern society, including the technologies of destruction we have developed recently, using a Bronze Age mindset are scary.

3/31/2009 12:35:35 PM

EvoPagan

Oh, what a silly twat you are. Telling us our leader is Satan is as asinine as telling you that your leader is Morbo. All you're doing is making an utter ass out of yourself.

3/31/2009 12:41:22 PM

Rat of Steel

(@ The L)

Since when are mass orgies horrifying to anyone who hasn't got his or her head up Paul of Tarsus' ass? Of all the stereotypes aimed at pagans, this is the one I'd think they wouldn't be so quick to deny (Does the sentence "all acts of love and pleasure are My rituals" ring any bells?). *grins*

Your assessment of Hope, on the other hand, is spot-on.

(@ Jed Knight)

Hear, hear!

(@ the OP, with the somewhat ironic handle of "Hope")
"Don't you go trying to attack the man of God knowing that what he says is true and being fully aware that your father the devil is the liar."


Now, this is normally the point at which I'd step in with an analysis of the creation stories (yes, plural) in Genesis 1 and 2, explaining--using no less than your own scripture--how it was the serpent that spoke truthfully about Adam and Eve's fate and God who lied through his teeth about that. However, you are clearly the sort of person who, while outwardly claiming your faith in your god to be stronger than steel, inwardly realize that said faith is actually more like a house of cards. If even the smallest part of your sacred scriptures were proven false...why, the whole Christianity thing then becomes pointless to you, doesn't it?

So, to paraphrase a line from John Bender, a character from the film The Breakfast Club: "I'd destroy you, and then your relatives would fuckin' sue me to pay back your psychiatrist, and I don't care enough about you to bother."

3/31/2009 12:43:50 PM

JohnTheAtheist

Hope, you are insane. That is all.

3/31/2009 12:46:41 PM

freako104

So as a Pagan and a voice for Satan, you are saying that my gods are Satan and he instructs me to protect others, remember to love others, to respect all life forms as having a soul, and has answered my prayers. Or since Satan does not represent those things, does that mean I am not his voice?

3/31/2009 12:47:47 PM

Wandering Discordian

Its this kind of thing that makes casting Protection from Christians every morning worthwhile...

3/31/2009 1:21:00 PM

Spiritual Nihilist

@ Doctor Whom:

It's the Spanish Inquisition!

3/31/2009 1:24:08 PM

Elphada

Hope, thank you for reminding me why I started to look at nature and people in a different way many years ago. Thank you for leading me to Paganism/Wicca. Correction: We do not believe in Satan so how can we worship him? Speaking of Satanism have you ever bothered to speak with a Satanist? I have. We may not agree on some points but at least they don't chase after me trying for a conversion. Like us Wiccans they just want to be left alone. Please try to understand your red devil with horns and pointed tail with trident in hand is a tool to frighten people into submission of rules nobody can obey. I do believe there is evil in this world but it comes from us homo sapiens . No, you can't blame an entity for your own mistakes and weaknesses.
People like you are driving others to Paganism and I personally think you're an ignorant jackass. Please try to keep up when you post your gibberish. When us middle age men and women embrace Wicca you should really think about your words. Perhaps you may want to learn something from moderate Christians who actually look at the person?
As for nature where the hell do you think clean water and food come from?

3/31/2009 1:27:00 PM
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