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The militant atheist is out to try to tear down Christianity. And while this is an obvious threat, they're headstrong attack is so forward that they're laying all the cards on the table. For instance, they're in such a forward attack mode that they try and present all their arguments so it is easy for a Christian to find their arguments, read them thoughtfully and come up with responses. Another great thing about butting heads with the militant atheist is that it is a great time to witness for Jesus. It can be tough to bring up the topic of Jesus in conversation with your average individual, but the militant atheist begs to bring up the discussion of God.

So, one thing that I've noticed a weak point in the atheist's arguments is that they need to explain everything everywhere in every time in order to even begin to argue that God does not exist. For if you can't explain everything everywhere in every time, God may have been the one doing it. The obvious examples to this are the origin of life and the origin of the universe. There is no explanation in science about the origin of life or the origin of the universe therefore as far as science knows, it could be in the realm of God. The Christian says to the atheist,"I know God created the universe. How do you think it was made?" The atheist says,"I do not know how the universe was made, but do you know how God is made? " The Christian says,"I do not need to know how God was made to have faith in him. You however need to be able to explain everything everywhere in every time before you can argue that God cannot exist."

It is like a corollary to the god of gaps theory. Wikipedia likes to play the god of gaps as a weakness of Christian faith when it is really a weakness in atheism.

JamesSager3, Christian Forums 70 Comments [4/13/2009 4:30:55 PM]
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#939190
The Skeptic Wept

Would anyone like to come over and pick the shrapnel from my irony meter out of me?

This just fails on so many levels...

4/13/2009 4:39:08 PM

#939193
tracer

I prefer to call it the Invisible Pink Unicorn of the Gaps theory.

Blessed be her hooves.

4/13/2009 4:41:21 PM

#939194
wackadoodle

I love it when they admit the ONLY basis for religion is ignorant superstition used to fill gaps in our knowledge.

4/13/2009 4:41:41 PM

#939197
Narwhalman

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Provide it or shut the fuck up.

4/13/2009 4:44:17 PM

#939208
D Laurier.

Wow, Somebody doesnt know what he is talking about.

4/13/2009 4:57:13 PM

#939209
Illuminatalie

they need to explain everything everywhere in every time in order to even begin to argue that God does not exist. For if you can't explain everything everywhere in every time, God may have been the one doing it.
Cognitive dissonance filter activated. Now scanning environment...bleep bleep bleep.. environment scan completed, data would indicate that scientists are motivated not by honest interest to find out how things really work, but by desire to prove that there is no God, and in particular to make a fool out of James Sager. But they won't win because James has God on his side and in fact God comes over twice a week to play Guitar Hero.

4/13/2009 5:03:30 PM

#939214
Osiris

It is like a corollary to the god of gaps theory. Wikipedia likes to play the god of gaps as a weakness of Christian faith when it is really a weakness in atheism.
How. The god of the gaps is basically slowly but surely demolishing all of gods hiding places.

4/13/2009 5:06:30 PM

#939215
Berny

And the winner for worst apologetics argument in defense of Christianity is...
JamesSager3!

4/13/2009 5:06:42 PM

#939219
Ken

What annoys me is that my otherwise incredibly intelligent friend believes bullshit like this.

4/13/2009 5:14:40 PM

#939226
Aethernaut

Oh my. Somebody doesn't understand the argument.

4/13/2009 5:21:44 PM

#939227
Tolpuddle Martyr

Hearing "I don't know" and replying "ah, then goddidit" is the strong point in your arguments? Oh rly?

4/13/2009 5:22:18 PM

#939228
Allegory for Jesus

"they're in such a forward attack mode that they try and present all their arguments so it is easy for a Christian to find their arguments, read them thoughtfully and come up with responses."

And that's a ditto for your side. Turns out that our "forward attack mode" is a refutation of the arguments presented by your side that have been refuted the same way for an untold amount of time. And why exactly do we need to explain EVERYTHING when God, your alternative explanation, isn't an explanation at all?

4/13/2009 5:22:33 PM

#939230


There is no explanation in science about the origin of life or the origin of the universe therefore as far as science knows, it could be in the realm of God.

There is no explanation in science about the origin of life or the origin of the universe therefore as far as science knows, it could be in the realm of a bunch of gods or a multiple string of them or a long succession of gods, each creating the next.

There is no explanation in science about the origin of life or the origin of the universe therefore as far as science knows, it could be in the realm of some god who no longer exists.

There is no explanation in science about the origin of life or the origin of the universe therefore as far as science knows, it could be in the realm of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Do fundies see how useless the so-called cosmological argument is?

4/13/2009 5:24:50 PM

#939234
The Jamo

Did he just defeat his own argument there?

4/13/2009 5:29:18 PM

#939237
Hazor

The same could be said of flying purple space monkeys.

The flying-purple-space-monkey-ian says to the a-flying-purple-space-monkey-ist,"I know flying purple space monkeys created the universe. How do you think it was made?" The a-flying-purple-space-monkey-ist says,"I do not know how the universe was made, but do you know how flying purple space monkeys were made?" The flying-purple-space-monkey-ian says,"I do not need to know how flying purple space monkeys were made to have faith in them. You however need to be able to explain everything everywhere in every time before you can argue that flying purple space monkeys cannot exist."

It also seems like a double standard. I don't need to know the details of the beginning of life or the universe in order to believe that a super natural being did not cause it. It's also worth nothing that there is a few theories as to the beginnings of life. You've zero theories as to the origin of God, so it seems like I'm on better ground, IMHO.

4/13/2009 5:31:16 PM

#939246
John

"You however need to be able to explain everything everywhere in every time before you can argue that the Flying Spaghetti Monster cannot exist."

Just as logically valid.

4/13/2009 5:40:22 PM

#939252
Vince

such infinite circles, I bet if we poked in the right places we could keep him spinning for hours.

4/13/2009 5:45:11 PM

#939270
Dio Fa

If you were to test your generalizations and unproved assumptions on me, in person, you would likely walk away with a migraine.

It has happened before. It could happen again.

4/13/2009 6:06:09 PM

#939271
DiscoBerry

SOS EMERGENCY MESSAGE to all Militant Atheists: THEY KNOW TOO MUCH- THEY KNOW TOO MUCH! Scatter immediately, Operation Gary Busey is hear by canceled. DOnt forget to burn the pink memo that is the SUPER-SECRET GAY ADGENDA

4/13/2009 6:08:08 PM

#939273
Mudak

Let's all say it at once so that JamesSager3 understands it...

Just because something has no known natural explanation, that does not mean that the only remaining explanation is supernatural.

4/13/2009 6:12:19 PM

#939283
JonnyTruant

<raspberry>Pft!!</raspberry>

I never even consider the existence of a god, let alone yours. I probably never would think about religion if it weren't for the fact that almost everyone who practices one wants to inflict their weirdness upon me.

4/13/2009 6:32:03 PM

#939286
Duck

Why do I get the feeling that "militant atheist" actually means "any one who doesn't appreciate my constant blathering about Jesus"?

4/13/2009 6:44:19 PM

#939287
Duck

gah, double post, Sorry!

4/13/2009 6:44:24 PM

#939288
Darkevilme

This, Is so a fucking POE.

4/13/2009 6:46:45 PM

#939289


*going for the cheapshot*

Hey James, is 3 your age or I.Q.?

4/13/2009 6:47:01 PM
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