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What RTB proposes is that God, being a good Engineer, reuses good designs. If, for example, ERVs work in the genome, then why not give it to other similar creatures that would need to fight off viruses. These were not implanted by viruses but were given by God to allow man and other mammals to fight off infection because they break the cycle within the virus.

To me, the atheist/evolutionists (definitely not all scientists) are like listening to a twisted lawyer present his case purposely leaving out details to support the conclusion and the whole of the courtroom believing it because they are sold out on the eloquent speech. In this case, it is because man likes to sin and he likes the idea that the Bible might not be true and God might not be real so that he can continue in his sin without eternal consequence. What a shocker to meet God face to face on the day of judgment.

verandoug, Reaching Out To A Lost Church 36 Comments [4/26/2009 12:04:22 PM]
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Clown

You... I can't see connection between two paragraphs. "Giant leap of logic" award?

4/26/2009 12:11:21 PM

Osiris

Why did God make viruses?

4/26/2009 12:13:40 PM

Rev. Dread

"...a twisted lawyer present his case purposely leaving out details to support the conclusion and the whole of the courtroom believing it because they are sold out on the eloquent speech."

Do you mean like a fundie Pastor ignoring just about every hard fact presented from the past that isn't some imaginative written story, telling his people about how the world and all it's wonder is a weekend project for a omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient DIY-er?

4/26/2009 12:20:50 PM

Efrain

Yes it would be quite a shocker to be face to face with a fictional concept made from the "human" imagination..

4/26/2009 12:23:56 PM

aaa

This dead horse again?

4/26/2009 12:25:25 PM



Translation: "Please, I thought I found a good argument. Don´t spoil it"

4/26/2009 12:30:52 PM

Reverend Jeremiah

From what I have read in the Bible.. you, verandouche, should be scared shitless about the judgement. Theres a 99% chance you will be thrown in Hell with the atheists because Jesus and Jehovah are some sick, sadistic little shits.

4/26/2009 12:41:57 PM

Grigadil

Just a splash of Tarragon vinegar, if you please.

4/26/2009 12:52:19 PM

D Laurier.

What the fuck?
I didnt order this word salad.

4/26/2009 1:03:56 PM

LDM

"What a shocker to meet God face to face on the day of judgment."

Somehow I get the feeling you'll be in for an even bigger shock.

4/26/2009 1:15:50 PM

TB Tabby

"What RTB proposes is that God, being a good Engineer, reuses good designs. If, for example, ERVs work in the genome, then why not give it to other similar creatures that would need to fight off viruses. These were not implanted by viruses but were given by God to allow man and other mammals to fight off infection because they break the cycle within the virus."

But we have a perfectly reasonable hypothesis for natural formation, and no evidence for your god. Occam's Razor says we go with the natural formation. Come back when you have some evidence more concrete than "It says so in the Bible, which must be true because it was written by an infallible deity, and we know that's true because it says so in the Bible."

"To me, the atheist/evolutionists (definitely not all scientists) are like listening to a twisted lawyer present his case purposely leaving out details to support the conclusion and the whole of the courtroom believing it because they are sold out on the eloquent speech. In this case, it is because man likes to sin and he likes the idea that the Bible might not be true and God might not be real so that he can continue in his sin without eternal consequence."

Still equating evolution with atheism, huh? The theory of evolution doesn't say that evolution happened without God, only that it happened. And the theory doesn't say anything about accountability or a lack thereof. It's ironic that creationists make this argument, since so many religious zealots believe that morals don't apply to them because they're "doing the Lord's work." That's why we had Crusades, that's when he was the Spanish Inquisition, and that's why we have radical Muslim terrorists.

4/26/2009 1:17:03 PM

LDM

"What a shocker to meet God face to face on the day of judgment."

Somehow I get the feeling you'll be in for an even bigger shock.

4/26/2009 1:21:46 PM



"What RTB proposes is that God, being a good Engineer, reuses good designs. If, for example, ERVs work in the genome, then why not give it to other similar creatures that would need to fight off viruses. These were not implanted by viruses but were given by God to allow man and other mammals to fight off infection because they break the cycle within the virus."

If REAL scientist just made up unverifiable explanations whenever they wanted to explain something, we would still live in the Middle Ages.

4/26/2009 1:22:41 PM

Illuminatalie

Atheists don't want to believe in the bible because that way they can give in to their urges to beat their family, to torture and have sex with their family pets, to steal, pull others' teeth out with a pair of pliers, etc.

What do you mean, they just don't have those urges? Everyone at OUR church does, that's why we need the bible to keep us frightened to give in.

4/26/2009 1:25:43 PM

Old Viking

From what I've seen, God wouldn't even qualify to get into engineering school.

4/26/2009 1:28:11 PM

Efrain

@Old Viking:
As a janitor you mean right?

4/26/2009 2:08:30 PM

John

If, for example, ERVs work in the genome, then why not give it to other similar creatures that would need to fight off viruses.

With few exceptions, ERVs are either disabled or harmful (e.g., HIV). Old ones are usually damaged by mutations and unable to produce proteins. And they have nothing to do with fighting off viruses. They are viruses. That's why we produce antibodies against those that are still active.

These were not implanted by viruses ...

Of course they were. Their DNA is almost identical to that of known retroviruses. Some ERVs, like HIV are still active and killing people.

Creationists still have no good answer to ERVs. Even AIG admits it.

4/26/2009 2:18:49 PM

Horsefeathers

"What RTB proposes is that God, being a good Engineer, reuses good designs. If, for example, ERVs work in the genome, then why not give it to other similar creatures that would need to fight off viruses. These were not implanted by viruses but were given by God to allow man and other mammals to fight off infection because they break the cycle within the virus."

You're not really clear on what an ERV is, are you?

"To me, the atheist/evolutionists (definitely not all scientists) are like listening to a twisted lawyer present his case purposely leaving out details to support the conclusion and the whole of the courtroom believing it because they are sold out on the eloquent speech."

Nor do you appear to know what peer review is.

"In this case, it is because man likes to sin and he likes the idea that the Bible might not be true and God might not be real so that he can continue in his sin without eternal consequence."

Fine. I'll believe any thing you tell me, so long as you can provide positive supporting evidence that what you're telling me is true.

Begin with Genesis and work from there.

"What a shocker to meet God face to face on the day of judgment."

Same bullshit as ever. Don't you guys ever come up with anything new? No, I guess not when you're all working from a playbook that hasn't been updated since the Bronze Age.

4/26/2009 2:27:39 PM

TB Tabby

"What RTB proposes is that God, being a good Engineer, reuses good designs. If, for example, ERVs work in the genome, then why not give it to other similar creatures that would need to fight off viruses. These were not implanted by viruses but were given by God to allow man and other mammals to fight off infection because they break the cycle within the virus."

But we have a perfectly reasonable hypothesis for natural formation, and no evidence for your god. Occam's Razor says we go with the natural formation. Come back when you have some evidence more concrete than "It says so in the Bible, which must be true because it was written by an infallible deity, and we know that's true because it says so in the Bible."

"To me, the atheist/evolutionists (definitely not all scientists) are like listening to a twisted lawyer present his case purposely leaving out details to support the conclusion and the whole of the courtroom believing it because they are sold out on the eloquent speech. In this case, it is because man likes to sin and he likes the idea that the Bible might not be true and God might not be real so that he can continue in his sin without eternal consequence."

Still equating evolution with atheism, huh? The theory of evolution doesn't say that evolution happened without God, only that it happened. And the theory doesn't say anything about accountability or a lack thereof. It's ironic that creationists make this argument, since so many religious zealots believe that morals don't apply to them because they're "doing the Lord's work." That's why we had Crusades, that's when he was the Spanish Inquisition, and that's why we have radical Muslim terrorists.

4/26/2009 3:05:52 PM

JonnyTruant

Project much?

4/26/2009 3:56:19 PM

The Jamo

Right, so god first created the infections and then sat down to think how he can most effectively fight them, because let's face it; it's not like you can just snap your fingers and have it all go away. You'd have to be omnipotent for that.

So the only explanation here is that god simply needed another challenge. I can understand why. Billions of years of waiting and doing nothing can either kill you or serve as the greatest of motivators.

4/26/2009 6:51:06 PM

WMDkitty

What... the fuck?

Does anyone know what this guy is going on about?

Or, for that matter, what he's *on*?

4/26/2009 7:32:17 PM

Mudak

And this argument differs from Pascal's Wager how, exactly?

4/26/2009 8:51:12 PM



In this case, it is because man likes to sin and he likes the idea that the Bible might not be true and God might not be real so that he can continue in his sin without eternal consequence.

Why is it these idiots keep parroting this line as though it'll make it any more true? Atheists do not reject the idea of religion simply because they want to be horrible, evil people. I mean, for fuck's sake!

4/26/2009 9:05:18 PM

solomongrundy

Sin = an offense against God. As atheists by definition don't believe in God it's straightforward logic that they don't believe in sin either.

4/26/2009 9:19:52 PM
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