My family however is a different story. They are still Muslim. They do not believe. I have started conversations with them about Christianity and Jesus, and while they believe He was a great prophet maybe the Son of God, they also believe Mohammad was the son of God as well , which makes me very angry.
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Your family is muslim, you used to be a muslim, and yet you think muslims believe Muhammed was the son of God?
Lying for the Lord, lying for the Lord...
How long have you felt this way?
Oddly, what you all can be made to believe makes me laugh, then cry.
"They are still Muslim."
But not very good ones, apparently.
Lying for Jesus; lying for Allah. It's still a crock, and NeedHimForBreath is still a lying liar.
Hey, ForgotToBreathe, if that's what they believe, and I doubt it, then they make genuine Muslims very angry as well.
Absolute BS, Muslims have never believed that Mohammed was the Son of God. They believe him the last Prophet. So NeedHimForBreath, me thinks you are a liar.
Could this just be a way to whip up a bit of Islamaphobia on RR, because you probably don't need to.
I traded belief in one set of silly superstitions with that of another set of silly superstitions. And now I am so superior to those who practice my original silly superstitions.
Leave him alone. You are lucky he even died for you bastards! Leave Jesus alone. Please.
Fail, obvious lie is obvious. Muslims do not believe that Mohammad is, or rather was, the son of god.
Mohammad, the son of God? Mohammad was Allah's profet, not his son.
Are other peoples beliefs something to be angry about? As long as it does not interfer with your beliefs, it shouldn't bother you in the least. It seems like your family are very tolerant, and let you believe in any deity you want. Please show them the same curtesy, m'kay. Plus, of course they believe, the believe "There is no other god than Allah, and Muhammed is his profet". (The more I read about Islam, the more tolerant it seems, compared to Christianity. The Quran, that is, not the "amendments" afterwards.)
"They are still Muslim. They do not believe."
Err... YES! They DO! Just not the same damn bullshit you believe.
EDIT: Also your basis for anger lets me believe you get worked up about a LOT of things.
RR: full of former athiests, homosexuals, muslims, hindus, evolutionary biologists and democrats who cannot provide a single bit of information about said groups that isnt completely wrong and reeks of the stereotyping and demonizing of other people that comes with spending your entire life as and surrounded by fundamentalist christians.
Islam FAIL.
Isa (Jesus) is considered a prophet, not a demi-god.
Muhammad was *never* considered "the son of god", merely his PROPHET.
I call LYING FOR JESUS.
I don't know if it's fair to say she's lying about her family's beleifs. From reading the entire post it seems like they were not very religious at all, but only nominally Muslim. I mean, that may still be a lie, but it seems plausible to me that an only slightly religious person with little interest in it could confuse certain points of their faith. I mean, I was raised as a Christian myself, but I was almost completely unaware of the significance of the holy trinity until I was in my early twenties. I was shocked when I heard that mainstream Christian doctrine said that Jesus was God, and not some lesser and separate being (still not quite sure why they needed to put that bit in; I guess it just sounds mysterious and shit). And it's not that my parent's aren't mainstream Christians, it's just that they sucked at conveying the basics of Christianity to me (perhaps I should be thankful for that :)
As for NeedHimForBreath, if her story is even remotely true, I feel terrible sorry for her. She's only very recently a Christian, and apparantly has no church or very many Christian freinds in real life, and the one place she finds to reach out to other Christians is Rapture Ready, the most sad and sickening fundy forum on the great big internet. I mean, she may have gone fundy anyway, but good lord, when the posters at RR aren't scaring the shit out of me with the sheer amount of stupid crazy, their longing anticipation and fervor for something that will never happen just makes me feel an inexpresable sorrow and pity for them, except when they follow up by talking about how they can't wait to see everyone else in Hell, then I want to punch them in the soul (if only such a thing were possible).
You are angry that Muslims believe Mohammad was the son of God. Some Muslims are angry that Christians believe Jesus was the son of God. So is being angry part of the religious experience. One must be angry because others don't believe the same things as oneself. Ha ha ha!
You're all a bunch of idiotic and gullible fools. Ha ha ha! You need Him to breathe, whereas I breathe quite well without the need for any supernatural entity or superstitious agency. Ha ha ha!
Rapture Ready, the home of the accurate prediction. Snigger! Ha ha ha!
Enjoy the imminent Whooshfest! Ha ha ha! Don't tell me, you'll have the last laugh as you're whooshing into the sky. No doubt I'll be laughing out of the other side of my face. Snigger! Ha ha ha!
God, Satan, Jesus, angels, demons and any other supernatural entities and ghosts etc are all a bunch of tossers and the imagination of a bunch of mind-stunted clods. Ha ha ha!
Assuming this isn't Lies For Jesus or a Poe, your apparently overwhelming ignorance of what the tenets of Islam actually are must have made it a lot easier to abandon - no doubt you'll maintain a similar level of ignorance about your new religion. Don't feel bad, though - most of the really rabid fundies don't actually have a fucking clue what the bible really says either.
What? Muslims don't believe Muhammad was the son of god. I just finished a course on Islam and my teacher, a Muslim, mentioned several times that Muhammad was considered to simply be a messenger, but was not holy.
My first reaction was "Muslims don't believe that Mohammed was a divine being", but I suppose it depends on what you mean by 'son of God'. Some people say we are all 'sons and daughters of God.'
Anyway, yes, Muslims believe that Jesus and Mohammed were basically the same, i.e. both prophets, but more than that. They believe that Jesus, and Moses, and the rest of the prophets, were all Muslims.
Bet that makes you even angrier. Guess what? Nobody gives a shit.
In that case, baby, you're inventing the story. Muslims DON'T believe that Mohammed was the son of God, just a PROPHET.
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I don't know if it's fair to say she's lying about her family's beleifs. From reading the entire post it seems like they were not very religious at all, but only nominally Muslim. I mean, that may still be a lie, but it seems plausible to me that an only slightly religious person with little interest in it could confuse certain points of their faith. I mean, I was raised as a Christian myself, but I was almost completely unaware of the significance of the holy trinity until I was in my early twenties. I was shocked when I heard that mainstream Christian doctrine said that Jesus was God, and not some lesser and separate being (still not quite sure why they needed to put that bit in; I guess it just sounds mysterious and shit). And it's not that my parent's aren't mainstream Christians, it's just that they sucked at conveying the basics of Christianity to me (perhaps I should be thankful for that :)
There never was and isn't a single mohammedan, no matter how ignorant s/he is about Islam, who thinks that Mo was the son of Allah. That is Shirk to them:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirk_(Islam)
Er, what? Muslims don't believe Mohammed was the son of god, just his prophet.
Somehow, I doubt you were actually a Muslim, if you don't even know such a basic and fundamental tenet of the religion. It would be like not knowing, as a Christian, that Jesus was supposedly the son of god.
Islam has numerous great prophets. Jesus was the second-to-last. However, Mohammad was the LAST and the GREATEST according to the Islamic holy book. And NONE of them were said to be God's child.
Read the Koran sometime, or at least wiki it, you moron.
I love how you guys are all "It's not in the Qu'ran that Mohammad was the son of God, so the family can't have thought that" when you're mocking someone on a site famous for its downright unbiblical views on the Bible.
Mohammad son of God? By sharia law such a belief would be considered a great sin (Shirk) and could be punishable by public decapitation.
There's a line of Koran that is a regular part of the standardized Muslim worship that they are expected to do five times every day, which goes like:
I proclaim; that God is one; that God is above all needs and cares; and that he was begotten by no one, and no one was begotten by him .
And also,
I believe that Allah is the only God, one and without equal, and I believe that Mohammad is a man and a prophet.
The above verses are also recited at Muslim funerals and a number of other religious and communal gatherings. For someone to be Muslim and NOT know that, is like a Christian who has never heard of "the cross".
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