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Why in the name of God (oops sorry, didn't mean to be so insensitive/offensive), does RTE give an entire 'Liveline' over to a tiny rump of deranged atheists to spout their puerile propaganda? Just what is their gripe?

Well it turns out they are annoyed at the prospect that proposed legislation will make it an offence to gratuitously offend religion: in reality, Catholicism (their big bogeyman). The big question is, though, what kind of ideology gets it kicks out of gratuitously offending the sincerely held views of others? It seems both immature and vulgar.

Perhaps the best critique of this ideology is provided in the recently published 'The Irrational Atheist: Dissecting the Unholy Trinity of Dawkins, Harris, and Hitchens', by Vox Day.

This brilliant critique clearly demonstrates why a mere anti-blasphemy law is not sufficient. In the interests of rationality and common sense, the legislation should go further and label atheism a thought crime.

Eric Conway, Independent.ie, Letters  68 Comments [5/11/2009 2:13:52 AM]
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CardCarryingAtheist

"Well it turns out they are annoyed at the prospect that proposed legislation will make it an offence to gratuitously offend religion: in reality, Catholicism (their big bogeyman). The big question is, though, what kind of ideology gets it kicks out of gratuitously offending the sincerely held views of others? It seems both immature and vulgar."

It's not about insulting religion it's about free speech and most importantly the ability to critizise and point out flaws with religion.

"This brilliant critique clearly demonstrates why a mere anti-blasphemy law is not sufficient. In the interests of rationality and common sense, the legislation should go further and label atheism a thought crime."

And this kind of backward insane thinking clearly demonstrates why we must have the right to critizise religion.

5/11/2009 2:40:00 AM

Ockam's Laser

"Thought Crime"? Have you actually READ Nineteen Eighty-Four?!

5/11/2009 2:48:07 AM

dreadreckoning

"thought crime", really? Just because you don't like what's being said doesn't give you the right to take away anyone's rights.

5/11/2009 2:52:38 AM



"The big question is, though, what kind of ideology gets it kicks out of gratuitously offending the sincerely held views of others?"
Too easy.

5/11/2009 2:54:44 AM

Raggy

If you want us to stop treating you violent, delusional, oppressive retards, then you should stop acting like violent, delusional, oppressive retards.

5/11/2009 3:07:58 AM

EvoPagan

If you are talking about the proposed UN legislation you had better hope and pray that it doesn't go through. Otherwise, every time you go on a rant about Islam you are going to find your ass hauled into court. THAT'S what it is all about, not Catholicism.

5/11/2009 3:10:39 AM

aaa

Kid, don't. Please don't. If you do that, we'll unleash our power. It won't be clean or pretty.

5/11/2009 3:12:33 AM

fundiesRtehlulz

So you want to silence what you consider hate speech, so you can spread your brand of hate speech unfettered? Nice one, asshat

5/11/2009 3:17:56 AM

atheist crusader

and then Winston Smith realised, he loved Big Brother......

5/11/2009 3:22:54 AM

ausador




5/11/2009 3:38:49 AM

Pule Thamex

Eric Conway is a twit and shouldn't be allowed to think, he might give himself a hernia. All religions, including Catholicism, are evil and immoral, encourage non-thinking and obedience to the words of mentally insane old men. Old men who are filthy in mind and scrabulously deranged. Old men who condone the scribblings of older generations of demonic goat-molesters and propagate their sheer ignoble idiocies through asinine speech or moronic drivel masquerading as religious text.

Religion is especially harmful to children and governments, and should be decried at every opportunity, even banned.

5/11/2009 3:42:33 AM

Lilith

Anyone quoting Vox Day instantly loses all credibility.

5/11/2009 3:58:37 AM

Swedish Pagan

Thought crime? THOUGHT CHRIME!?!? Last time I checked the US of A was still a democracy with freedom of speech, which sort of includes thought. What kind of rationality and common sense would it be to throw out democracy?

As long as the legislation also makes it an offence to offend all religions AND atheism, sure. 'Cause you would never ever offend the sincerely held views of others, would you Eric? (By the way, I am offended that you think me puerile for not having a childish belief in invisible beings.)

Atheists do not have trinities, they do not believe in deities, of any kind.

5/11/2009 4:18:36 AM

Mudak

I've got no problem leaving the sincerely held views of others with a degree of respect, as long as they choose to do the same to me and not try to impose those "sincerely held views" on me, when I clearly don't want them imposed on me.

5/11/2009 4:25:58 AM

Thundersqueaks

Freedom is the right to say 2+2=4. In your case, Eric, freedom is the right to believe 2+2=anything you want.

5/11/2009 4:36:32 AM

Man Called True

The only brlliance Vox Day has ever shown is brilliant failure.

So Eric, whatever happened to "do unto others"?

5/11/2009 4:41:15 AM

wackadoodle

YOU ARE A GROWN MAN WITH AN IMAGINARY FRIEND

that is all.

5/11/2009 4:43:56 AM

Doctor Whom

Why in the name of Allah (oops sorry, didn't mean to be so insensitive/offensive), does * * * give an entire 'Liveline' over to a tiny rump of deranged non-Muslims to spout their puerile propaganda? Just what is their gripe?

Well it turns out they are annoyed at the prospect that proposed legislation will make it an offence to gratuitously offend religion: in reality, Islam (their big bogeyman). The big question is, though, what kind of ideology gets it kicks out of gratuitously offending the sincerely held views of others? It seems both immature and vulgar.

* * *

This brilliant critique clearly demonstrates why a mere anti-blasphemy law is not sufficient. In the interests of rationality and common sense, the legislation should go further and label non-Islam a thought crime.

5/11/2009 4:45:19 AM

Tolpuddle Martyr

Thank you for openly declaring your contempt for democracy and the rule of law, now STFU!

5/11/2009 5:07:12 AM

Scooby71

@Swedish Pagan

It is the Republic of Ireland that is looking to introduce a blasphemy law with a maximum penalty of €100,000.

5/11/2009 5:10:40 AM

arcturus

you know that border you have, with the north.. where, north of that border, people like to shoot the fuck out of eachother...? that's your fault.

5/11/2009 5:21:31 AM

CailinBan

The Irish govt had to introduce this legislation to comply with the constitution which, unfortunately, DOES give a special place to Christianity. Like most Irish laws, it'll be ignored I think. It'd make an interesting test case if anybody ever is prosecuted under this. It would go the whole way to the court of human rights in The Hague, I imagine.

Eric Conway forgets that on Irish television and radio, paid for partly by the State, the Catholic Angeles is played twice a day. And yet he doesn't want the atheists to speak.

And guys, the situation in Northern Ireland is NOT about religion. It's about politics - whether that section of the island of Ireland should remain part of the United Kingdom, or become part of the Republic of Ireland. It's just happens for historical reasons most Republicans are Catholic and most Unionists are Protestant. But people aren't fighting over religious differences. Indeed, if you keep up with current affairs, you'll know that people aren't (except for some thugs) fighting at all now.

5/11/2009 5:33:39 AM



"what kind of ideology gets it kicks out of gratuitously offending the sincerely held views of others?"

Yours apparently, otherwise you wouldn't be calling atheism a thought crime.

At least the proposed legislation would put an end to you fundies calling atheism a religion, because if didn't comments like yours and Vox Day's would be illegal under it.

Finally, Eric, thanks for providing more evidence against the wisdom of such legislation. You have admirably demonstrated that you would in no way limit its application to supposed hate speech but rather would use it to harass all criticism of religion to chilling effect.

Petard, meet hoist.

5/11/2009 5:41:55 AM

CailinBan

The Irish govt had to introduce this legislation to comply with the constitution which, unfortunately, DOES give a special place to Christianity. Like most Irish laws, it'll be ignored I think. It'd make an interesting test case if anybody ever is prosecuted under this. It would go the whole way to the court of human rights in The Hague, I imagine.

Eric Conway forgets that on Irish television and radio, paid for partly by the State, the Catholic Angeles is played twice a day. And yet he doesn't want the atheists to speak.

And guys, the situation in Northern Ireland is NOT about religion. It's about politics - whether that section of the island of Ireland should remain part of the United Kingdom, or become part of the Republic of Ireland. It's just happens for historical reasons most Republicans are Catholic and most Unionists are Protestant. But people aren't fighting over religious differences. Indeed, if you keep up with current affairs, you'll know that people aren't (except for some thugs) fighting at all now.

5/11/2009 5:42:04 AM

TB Tabby

"Thought crime?" This has to be a Poe.

5/11/2009 5:58:41 AM
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