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Are there any socialist countries that have maintained robust free speech rights and freedom of religion? I can't think of any. It seems the trend of all socialist countries is to curb speech and/or religion to some extent. China is an extreme example, while what you see in England is the start of a slippery slope.

So I wonder, why would any thinking Christian ever support socialism? It is beyond me.

Andy T., Baptist Board 62 Comments [5/11/2009 12:01:53 PM]
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It might have something to do with the fact that they're a Christian and Jesus Christ was a socialist. But then, you prefer Paul, don't you?

5/11/2009 12:06:47 PM


Define 'socialist'. Betcha can't.

5/11/2009 12:08:13 PM

They call me V

It's hardly a challenge to come up with a country more socialistic than the USA, but let's take Norway, a who has a state church and the people in charge have been more or less socialistic since WW2. And when it comes to freedom of religion and speech, well, you can say pretty much anything you want, but if you spew lies and misinformation, like you are now, people, like me, will call you out on it.

5/11/2009 12:29:43 PM


No, what you see in England is the same as what you see in America - a religion trying to force its dogma into the government. While here in America it's fundamental Christianity, in England it's fundamental Islam. And may I remind you that it's religious people who are trying to get the UN to pass a bill that would ban anti-religous speech.

5/11/2009 12:33:25 PM

Swedish Pagan

Erm, socialism is not the same as communism.
Sweden has been mostly run by socialists since the thirties, and yes we still have robust free speech rights and freedom of religion. We can say whatever we want, as long as it is not an apparent threat to someone. We can belong to any religion we want, or no religion at all. Most people here are Christian AND trust to science.

5/11/2009 12:43:05 PM


Pretty much all of western europe...

5/11/2009 12:46:54 PM


Yeah, "collective ownership and distribution of goods", what a weird and unchristian idea, eh?

"All that believed were together, and had all things in common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need."(Acts 2:44-45)

"But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, and kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost." (Acts 5:1-5)

5/11/2009 12:50:31 PM

Doctor Whom

Why do I feel a "No True Scotsman Christian Socialist" fallacy coming on?

5/11/2009 1:01:06 PM

Dio Fa

We know it is beyond you. That is because you are not a thinking Christian.

5/11/2009 1:18:56 PM

Pule Thamex

That's a no-brainer. I suspect most things are beyond you. You're probably a stupid pratt.

5/11/2009 1:19:33 PM


Fundie Dictionary:

Socialism: Government spending that doesn't benefit ME.

So I wonder, why would any thinking Christian ever support socialism? It is beyond me.

Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.(Matthew 19:21)

5/11/2009 1:23:53 PM



Oh and we have some fundies in power (Stockwell "Doris" Day and Steve Harper (PM right now))

5/11/2009 1:37:37 PM

Please read the book of Acts; particularly the story of Ananias, in which the apostles set up a communist system, and Ananias, by performing one capitalist action, is judged by the Lord and struck dead.

5/11/2009 2:01:26 PM


"Are there any socialist countries that have maintained robust free speech rights and freedom of religion?"

The majority of European countries, if not strictly socialist, are at least left-leaning. We have socialised health-care (what's the point of profit if not to help each other?) and a defining ethos that places emphasis on community and a common goal. Why do you hate people?

"I can't think of any."

Argument from incredulity; that's a big, fat fail.

"It seems the trend of all socialist countries is to curb speech and/or religion to some extent."


"China is an extreme example,"

China is *not* a socialist country, it's an authoritarian dictatorship; no democracy allowed.

"while what you see in England is the start of a slippery slope."

England? England, as a country recognised by international law and treaty, does not exist. Your ignorance is showing yet again.

5/11/2009 2:05:42 PM

Old Viking

Wouldn't recognize Socialism if it bit him in the ass.

5/11/2009 2:18:21 PM

D Laurier.

Sweden. Norway, Finland, Denmark, Holland, Belgium, Portugal,

5/11/2009 2:28:13 PM


I recall a Christian Socialist group in Germany, usually aligned with the Christian Democrats.

5/11/2009 2:33:34 PM


Englands only the modern example of free speech, most of you Baptists believe it is socialist ( free medical, goverment ran schools and retirement funding )

Freedom of religion is pacticed much more in England then America despite an over 40% atheist level. Should tell you something, wannabe totalirian that you are.

5/11/2009 3:19:49 PM

Tolpuddle Martyr

I see what you did there.

Unspoken assertion 1: All socialists believe the exactly same thing, Christian socialists, anarcho - syndicalists, Stalinists, Trotskyists, social democrats, Pol Pot - all peas in a pod right?

Unspoken assertion 2: Liberals = socialists. Some socialists have liberal beliefs but I don't think it's too much of a stretch to assume they don't all think this way, how "liberal" was uncle Joe - much less than your average card carrying Republican actually.

Unspoken assertion 3: Obama is a socialist, because - he's more liberal than the last guy. Obama is a fiscal conservative like most democrats and middle of the road liberal in some areas but again liberal =/= socialist.

Unspoken assertion 4: If you vote for any sort of liberal or socialist anywhere at any time you'll get the Peoples Republic of China. Absolute blithering idiocy, STFU!

5/11/2009 3:41:10 PM

Mr Blur

"It is beyond me."

Oh, how true.

5/11/2009 3:47:48 PM


Meh. Misunderstanding government does not a fundie make.

5/11/2009 3:55:29 PM


Most of Europe is socialist, one way or another. Some, like Scandinavian countries (probably you havnen't a clue about Scandinavia so I'd better spell them out - Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland) have state churches of the Lutheran persuasion. They also have a far higher standard of living than most Americans. Ireland too is socialist in outlook and political practice. It protects religions in its constitution, and is about to stupidly bring in anti-blasphemy laws. These will founder in a sea of misinterpretation and contradiction at law. Britain has a socialist Government for the past 11 years, but its head of state is also head of the church...

I marvel that you can be so ignorant about what goes on outside the US.

5/11/2009 4:36:13 PM


You're right! No more socialist activity in America!

Goodbye, public schools. Pay for your own kid's education. (although I'm sure a lot of fundies want that anyway...)

Goodbye, police. You can pay a private security firm to enforce the laws for your family.

Goodbye, fire department. Buy a bucket and a hose for yourself.

Goodbye, CIA and FBI. Maybe Blackwater will hunt down those pesky terrorists... for a modest fee.

Basically, anything that is paid for by taxes, including the aforementioned, is, by definition, socialist. In a purely capitalist country, you'd have to pay for EVERYTHING yourself.

5/11/2009 4:43:22 PM


<insert "thinking Christian" joke here>

5/11/2009 5:12:33 PM

China's not socialist, it's communist!

5/11/2009 5:15:25 PM

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