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I'll answer all of you questioning why it is not fair to a child.

Just the other day on Newsvine, there was an article about a BLACK COUPLE who adopted a WHITE DAUGHTER.

You would not believe what that couple went through and the father actually commented to the reporter - that why could a white family not step up so they did.

These people were not prejudiced. They did not discriminate. They welcomed their white daughter into their home. They even found her Irish family crest to help her identify with a culture too. However, the family was the constant butt of jokes and criticism. Some people actually asked the daughter if she was kidnapped.

The situation is that kids already have it tough. Kids are bullies if people are different.

The bottom line is that neither two men nor two women can produce a child. If that is the case, why should these types of couples be allowed to adopt one?

AND BY THE WAY, who said anyone was intolerant of a gay lifestyle? Just because I don't agree that they should be allowed to marry does not mean I am intolerant. I don't want them to be able to adopt children. PERIOD. Especially NAMBLA couples. I see no one has addressed that issue.

What I find intolerant are the gay people who try and shove their lifestyle down the rest of our throats. I don't tell you about my sexual orientation or my partners so why do I care about yours?

And finally - MOST AMERICANS DO NOT SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE. That is a fact.

Apparently, Californians are smarter than the rest of you all.


Karen in Los Angeles, Newsvine 79 Comments [5/12/2009 7:33:05 PM]
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Patches

Translation: "I pick on people who are different, therefore the obvious solution is that people need to stop being different."

5/12/2009 7:38:21 PM



"Especially NAMBLA couples. I see no one has addressed that issue"

Probably because everyone, including gays, understands that NAMBLA should not be allowed near kids. So it's an already understood issue.

5/12/2009 7:45:10 PM

Mudak

And this, dear friends, is why gay marriage shouldn't be put to the vote of the people.

If people actually understood the reasons why the gays and lesbians are seeking to be allowed to marry, I think it's safe to say that they would feel, at worst, apathetic about it.

And to use NAMBLA or pedophilia in general to go over the rationale for opposing gay marriage, I'd be inclined to say that this is could be a corollary of Godwin's Law.

5/12/2009 7:46:33 PM

shelly87

"AND BY THE WAY, who said anyone was intolerant of a gay lifestyle? Just because I don't agree that they should be allowed to marry does not mean I am intolerant. I don't want them to be able to adopt children. PERIOD. Especially NAMBLA couples. I see no one has addressed that issue. "

OMG I don't normally post on here but the crazy in these sentences is too much. NAMBLA "couples" don't really exist...since the members of NAMBLA are pretty much solely attracted to young boys and don't have adult relationships. The reason no one has addressed this issue is because there isn't much of one - any child molester would/should not be able to adopt children.

Also you are intolerant of gays and the "gay lifestyle" if you want to deny them the right to marry their partner. O but wait you think you are being persecuted for even having to hear that they are different from you...idiot

5/12/2009 7:52:01 PM

Thinking Allowed

I was agreeing with that post until "AND BY THE WAY, who said anyone was intolerant of a gay lifestyle? Just because I don't agree that they should be allowed to marry does not mean I am intolerant. I don't want them to be able to adopt children. PERIOD. Especially NAMBLA couples. I see no one has addressed that issue.
" was brought up. Douchebag.

5/12/2009 7:58:06 PM

Pule Thamex

A friggin chickpea is smarter than you Karen, you clod.

5/12/2009 8:00:47 PM

ScubaBee

Ugh. Gay people wouldn't flaunt themselves if others didn't reject their lifestyle. Besides, who cares what they do. They are entitled to live happily just like heterosexual couples. Quit imagining what others are or are not doing together in their beds. You'll sprout more grey hairs that way.

5/12/2009 8:13:48 PM

Orestes

"AND BY THE WAY, who said anyone was intolerant of a gay lifestyle? Just because I don't agree that they should be allowed to marry does not mean I am intolerant. I don't want them to be able to adopt children. PERIOD."

I see, so you're not intolerant, you just don't want gays to share an intimate bond through marriage like hetero's, and do not wish to see them raise a child. So apparently you have a rational, totally not intolerant reason behind this. Either that, or you are just a hypocritical cunt.

5/12/2009 8:14:12 PM

Tiger

So wait... we're intolerant of gays, so we need to be even more intolerant so that they won't suffer from our being intolerant?

Nice job comparing it to interracial adoption, by the way. Perhaps we should cross-post this in RSTDT.

5/12/2009 8:14:20 PM

Amanda

If kids are bullies when someone is different, it's because they're picking up on some fundie adult's view. Kids aren't born with those attitudes. They pick it up from adults. Stop being so wishy-washy too. You are intolerant, admit it.

5/12/2009 8:15:13 PM

Vince

one of your points was basically "just because I don't tolerant them doesn't mean I'm intolerant". so you already made "people to punch, if I ever meet them" list.

...and "The bottom line is that neither two men nor two women can produce a child. If that is the case, why should these types of couples be allowed to adopt one? "

what? I don't even know how that's wrong. it just is. the only thing I can work out from this abomination of a post is that you seem to think that interracial families are ok, so that means gays aren't.... is that really what your trying to get at here?

what the fuck is wrong with you?

5/12/2009 8:29:16 PM

Zoo

"The bottom line is that neither two men nor two women can produce a child. If that is the case, why should these types of couples be allowed to adopt one?"

1. Because physical inability to produce a child doesn't have any bearing on how good the couple is as parents

2. Because people who are willing to go through the adoption process REALLY WANT the child/children they adopt, and if they can pass the entire process they are certainly qualified regardless of gender or sexual orientation

3. Because there are SO MANY kids who need a stable home; gender of the adults in the home has nothing to do with how stable it is

Question: Why is it OK for a single person to adopt, but not a committed gay couple?

5/12/2009 8:34:03 PM

EvoPagan

I've never heard of a NAMBLA couple before. I'm quite sure that if anyone from NAMBLA stepped up and tried to adopt any child, they would be roundly condemned by everyone--gay, straight, interracial, what have you. It seems that everyone in the world EXCEPT for fundies and NAMBLA members grasps the concept of a legal age of consent.

Second...I'm just real, real tired of this whole argument about how children adopted by gays will be bullied, so gays shouldn't adopt. THE GAYS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM HERE. My parents are straight and are both white and I was still bullied unmercifully from age 11 on. BULLIES are the problem, not the bully victim or his or her family. But actually, the REAL problem here (and please forgive me for capitalizing like a fundie) is that WE ARE A NATION OF CHICKENSHIT COWARDS. We are scared to death to assign blame where it belongs. If someone is being bullied, the problem is THE BULLY. No, the victim does not need to change the way he/she acts, or dresses, or the music he/she listens to. No, it's not the fault of the victim's parents for being black/gay/poor/whatever. IT'S THE BULLY'S FAULT. The bully is the one who must change, not the victim. PERIOD. THE FUCKING END. And the bully's parents and the teachers and principal at the bully's school are also repsonsible because THEY ARE NOT DOING THEIR FUCKING JOBS and controlling a child who is out of control. If your child bullies and you are aware of it, then YOU need to have YOUR ass kicked and YOU need to change and if YOU won't change and parent YOUR bullying little bastard then YOU should be forced to change.

And WE the fucking people need to stop being chickenshits and grow some fucking spines and stand up against bullies and stop this cringing blaming the victim bullshit behavior. Yes, I know that is what is easier, yes I know that confronting bullies of all ages is hard and scary but if ALL OF US would do it, then in a generation we would no longer be having this asinine conversation.

Lastly, let's address neither two men nor two women can produce a child. If that is the case, why should these types of couples be allowed to adopt one? Well, Karen, infertile people can't produce a child so why should they be allowed to adopt? Do you see the logical fallacy here? DO YOU FUCKING SEE IT??? I fucking thought not. Karen, you know what, fuck you, up the ass, with a rabid gerbil. Hopefully it will eat its way through to your uterus before you do us all the misfortune of breeding.

5/12/2009 8:43:36 PM



49% of americans support gay marriage, 46% are bigots.
And who else is sick of people whining about gays "shove their lifestyle down the rest of our throats"? I see straight couples holding hands, kissing, flirting and describing their sex in graphic detail everyday, but when gays do any of this their assholes.

5/12/2009 8:45:32 PM

Tolpuddle Martyr

So, in summary; because some dickheads gave a white girl shit in school because she was adopted by black parents we should stop gay marriage...because this will lead to NAMBLA molesting kids?

And by the way I don't hate gays, as long as their locked away in a closet somewhere and aren't allowed near children - and most Americans don't support gay marriage (my pastor said so), and I'm from California and I'm smart, no really.

Multiple layers upon layers of blithering idiocy.

5/12/2009 8:52:03 PM

aaa

Too dull, didn't bother.

5/12/2009 8:52:48 PM

raindrops

...Just because I don't agree that they should be allowed to marry does not mean I am intolerant. I don't want them to be able to adopt children. PERIOD.
What I find intolerant are the gay people who try and shove their lifestyle down the rest of our throats.

-How confused can you really get? You are the intolerant one. You are the one who is dictating lifestyle. Just shut up!

5/12/2009 9:00:39 PM

Sasha

Apparently, Karen has managed to convince herself that denying people equal rights means that she's not a bigot.

5/12/2009 9:05:13 PM

Papabear

No one but NAMBLA members are suggesting that NAMBLA members be allowed to adopt children. They are already weeded out by the vetting process.

Any loving home, whether of a different race from that of the child, heterosexual, homosexual, disabled, or with green-speckled people is better than an institution or a home with less than loving parents.


Whether or not the majority supports some notion doesn't mean that notion is true or a good idea. Truth and goodness do not depend upon popular support.


P.S. Homosexuality isn't a lifestyle, it's a sexual orientation. Homosexuals live all sorts of lifestyles.

5/12/2009 9:07:59 PM

shykid

An infertile opposite-sex couple also cannot produce a child. If that is the case, why should these types of couples be allowed to adopt one?

Hey, I'm just followin' your logic.

There are more straight pedophiles than gay pedophiles (simply because straight people outnumber us 'mos). So, should we ban marriage altogether to help prevent the heterosexual equivalent of "NAMBLA couples"?

Again, just followin' your logic (or the lack thereof as the case may be)...

5/12/2009 9:19:16 PM

Thejebusfire

The bottom line is that neither two men nor two women can produce a child. If that is the case, why should these types of couples be allowed to adopt one?

Infertale couples cannot produce a child either, should they be banned from adoption?

AND BY THE WAY, who said anyone was intolerant of a gay lifestyle? Just because I don't agree that they should be allowed to marry does not mean I am intolerant.

Yes it does. If I said I didn't agree with Christian marriage you would be pretty quick to label me "intolerant".

I don't want them to be able to adopt children. PERIOD.

That sounds pretty intolerant to me.

Especially NAMBLA couples.

Not all homosexuals are pedophiles or even NAMBLA members.

What I find intolerant are the gay people who try and shove their lifestyle down the rest of our throats.

Gays are not the one's passing laws saying that who can and can't marry or apodt children. People like you use the bible to pass laws on people who you label as "icky".

I don't tell you about my sexual orientation or my partners so why do I care about yours?

I'm probably certian that you've spoken about your husband/boyfriend (or both) in public before.

And finally - MOST AMERICANS DO NOT SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE. That is a fact.

If that's true, then why are states starting to overturn laws based on this "fact".

Apparently, Californians are smarter than the rest of you all.

They were before prop-8.

5/12/2009 9:22:24 PM

Thejebusfire

The bottom line is that neither two men nor two women can produce a child. If that is the case, why should these types of couples be allowed to adopt one?

Infertale couples cannot produce a child either, should they be banned from adoption?

AND BY THE WAY, who said anyone was intolerant of a gay lifestyle? Just because I don't agree that they should be allowed to marry does not mean I am intolerant.

Yes it does. If I said I didn't agree with Christian marriage you would be pretty quick to label me "intolerant".

I don't want them to be able to adopt children. PERIOD.

That sounds pretty intolerant to me.

Especially NAMBLA couples.

Not all homosexuals are pedophiles or even NAMBLA members.

What I find intolerant are the gay people who try and shove their lifestyle down the rest of our throats.

Gays are not the one's passing laws saying that who can and can't marry or apodt children. People like you use the bible to pass laws on people who you label as "icky".

I don't tell you about my sexual orientation or my partners so why do I care about yours?

I'm probably certian that you've spoken about your husband/boyfriend (or both) in public before.

And finally - MOST AMERICANS DO NOT SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE. That is a fact.

If that's true, then why are states starting to overturn laws based on this "fact".

Apparently, Californians are smarter than the rest of you all.

They were before prop-8.

5/12/2009 9:41:22 PM

Eimiilove

...trying to find logic in this is harder than figuring out calculus problems when you're in the 4th grade. Congratulations on your fail, Karen.

5/12/2009 9:52:55 PM

Shadoboy

You know, the black couple adopting a white daughter are the complete oposite of you, bigoted moron.

5/12/2009 10:01:25 PM



ATTENTION YOU IGNORANT ASSHOLES:

I AM GAY AND I HAVE NEVER IN MY LIFE, NOR WILL I EVER, SUPPORT NAMBLA. I AM NOT APART OF THAT DISGUSTING GROUP AND NOR DO I SYMPATHIZE WITH THEIR AGENDA BECAUSE, AS I SAID, I FIND IT DISGUSTING AND GROTESQUE. I FIND IT OFFENSIVE TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH SUCH GROUP.

Based on your logic, because you are Christian you support the Salem Witch Trials, Spanish Inquisitions, and The Crusades. Because Christians in the past have supported the irrational murders of men, women, and children all Christians must support the actions in the same way that all gay males support NAMBLA and advocate for their agenda.

5/12/2009 10:26:03 PM
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