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cool. You'd think, though, that through millions of evolution that the human race would somehow mutate a gene that would produce a race that would have a longer than 70 year life span. I mean isn't "survival" the goal?

["Well considering the maximum life span for a human used to be early 30s, I think 70 is pretty impressive."]

Actually, it used to be in the hundreds and now has dwindled down to the 70's. Let's speak worldwide and not old west days. By your implication, live in the beginning would have to been measured in months or days and it's taken us millions of years to get to the 70's. A chart from the beginning until now would show that. Sure there would be ups and downs but the general slope of the graph would show either a constant upward slope or a downward slope.

Second law of thermaldynamics (never could spell that) says what?

Watchmen, Topix 76 Comments [5/12/2009 7:01:38 PM]
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According to the bible it used to be in the Hundreds. Science Fail

5/12/2009 7:04:12 PM


Second law of thermodynamics says that entropy in a closed system tends to increase with time. :/

What does it have to do with lifespans, now?

5/12/2009 7:07:45 PM

Old Viking

The second law of thermaldynamics? It says something about thermals. And dynamics.

5/12/2009 7:08:26 PM


Actually, it used to be in the hundreds and now has dwindled down to the 70's.

If you'd get your head out of the horrendous mistranslations of the Bible and find out some facts, you'd know that moons was mistranslated as years.

5/12/2009 7:11:15 PM

Dr. Razark

No, Survival is not the goal. Survival until genes are passed on is the goal. For most humans, 30 would be sufficient in today's societies; early to mid teens would actually work, too.

Due to medical technology and knowledge gained by applying science, including the theory and fact of evolution, many humans in the more advanced areas of the world are now living much longer lives. How many of them are having children into their seventies, though? That's a waste of resources on individuals that have passed their reproductive stage, instead of the individuals that are still able to reproduce, or still reaching maturity.

5/12/2009 7:11:27 PM

Cobby Moggy

You would think that in a 70 year life span a fundie might read an actual science book, but alas they never do.

5/12/2009 7:12:53 PM


"Well considering the maximum life span for a human used to be early 30s, I think 70 is pretty impressive."

Since we already know the fundie is an idiot, I want to disagree with this. I don't know when our maximum lifespan 'used to' be supposedly early thirties, I surely never read about that.

I know that human average lifespan could be around thirty (or far less) during most of our history, but it is important to note that these averages were markedly low because of ridiculously high child mortality rates. Even when average lifespans were about thirty or less, maximum lifespans could still be fairly high once you managed to survive long enough, and especially if you were in the favoured societal classes.

So while I agree with this person's intent, I do believe he is wrong.

As for Watchmen, he's an idiot.

5/12/2009 7:14:15 PM


Understanding fail

5/12/2009 7:23:37 PM


Excuse me, Waiter... someone dropped a load of fail into my word salad. Do I get a refund?

5/12/2009 7:26:01 PM


Both my grandmothers were 90+ when they passed away. I know many people well into their 80's who still live active lives. Since when is 70 the maximum life span?

5/12/2009 7:31:06 PM


Second Law of Thermodynamics allows for increase of energy in a open system, if the energy coming into the system is greater then then the energy being wasted in it.
If you don't think this applies to life science then go outside and stare directly into the bright round object in the sky.

5/12/2009 7:45:49 PM

do these people even know what the second law says. they just seem to bring it up when they don't understand something.

5/12/2009 7:58:54 PM

Thinking Allowed

Second law of thermaldynamics (never could spell that) says what?

...says nothing about evolution.

5/12/2009 8:01:08 PM


Man, are you wrong! Put down your book of fairy tales and pick up a science book.

5/12/2009 8:16:15 PM


stop taking your facts from the bible and stop trying to use thermodynamics with evolution, then you can have an opinion.

5/12/2009 8:19:24 PM


I refused to continue reading after he claimed our early ancestors lived for hundreds of years. When your entire argument hinges on a fucking story book created by bronze age goat herders and absolutely zero empirical evidence, you've lost the damn game.

5/12/2009 8:21:24 PM


More likely it would allow reproduction at later and later ages. See: Tony Randall.

Give back WATCHMEN. You don't get to have that.

5/12/2009 8:33:09 PM


[Actually, it used to be in the hundreds and now has dwindled down to the 70's.]

It never was in the hundreds.

5/12/2009 8:33:52 PM

No One

Chances are that if you can't even spell thermodynamics you shouldn't be using at evidence for anything.

5/12/2009 8:35:12 PM


People are routinely living into their 80s and 90s now...oh, except for fundies who don't care about their bodies or their environment because Zombie Jesus is going to come back and give them shiny brand-new demon-fighting bodies and magical mansions in the sky.

I'd like to send you back to medieval times--as a WOMAN--so you can live to be middle-aged and die giving birth to your fourth child AT FIFTEEN.

5/12/2009 8:51:21 PM


Note that long lifespans reported in 'historical' (read ancient) documents may (or may not) report actual people, but have been known to exaggerate actual lifespans. (BTW, how many times do I need to pull out the Sumerian King List? http://www-etcsl.orient.ox.ac.uk/section2/tr211.htm)

And the second law has nothing to do with anything you think it does, and it's meant for closed systems anyhow. In fact, I could use the second law (if I really wanted to abuse it) to argue points completely opposite to yours. Pick up a book by a real scientist for once.

5/12/2009 9:01:36 PM


For the last time, earth is NOT A CLOSED SYSTEM!

5/12/2009 9:07:34 PM


You knew you spelled wrong but decided to continue anyway. Did you also know your thoughts are full of garbage but decided to continue anyway?
Idiot, lazy, or both.

5/12/2009 9:20:53 PM


I like how he thinks that human beings lived only for months or days in the beginning, and we had to evolve to live for decades.

Dude! Graduate high school before posting on the Interwebs!

5/12/2009 9:22:04 PM

Captain Obvious

First of all the Second Law of thermodynamics only applies to closed systems. The earth is not a closed system as it receives a massive amount of energy from the sun every day.

If you take the solar system as a single system then yes, we are constantly losing energy. The amount of order on this planet is far outstripped by the amount of order being destroyed in the Sun.

Secondly the second law of thermodynamics does not apply to lifespans or to life in general. Anything that is alive is taking in energy, so it is not a closed system.

5/12/2009 9:22:20 PM

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