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#954546
Lunar-Xero
According to the bible it used to be in the Hundreds. Science Fail
5/12/2009 7:04:12 PM
#954552
Florian
Second law of thermodynamics says that entropy in a closed system tends to increase with time. :/
What does it have to do with lifespans, now?
5/12/2009 7:07:45 PM
#954553
Old Viking
The second law of thermaldynamics? It says something about thermals. And dynamics.
5/12/2009 7:08:26 PM
#954555
dpareja
Actually, it used to be in the hundreds and now has dwindled down to the 70's.
If you'd get your head out of the horrendous mistranslations of the Bible and find out some facts, you'd know that moons was mistranslated as years.
5/12/2009 7:11:15 PM
#954556
Dr. Razark
No, Survival is not the goal. Survival until genes are passed on is the goal. For most humans, 30 would be sufficient in today's societies; early to mid teens would actually work, too.
Due to medical technology and knowledge gained by applying science, including the theory and fact of evolution, many humans in the more advanced areas of the world are now living much longer lives. How many of them are having children into their seventies, though? That's a waste of resources on individuals that have passed their reproductive stage, instead of the individuals that are still able to reproduce, or still reaching maturity.
5/12/2009 7:11:27 PM
#954557
Cobby Moggy
You would think that in a 70 year life span a fundie might read an actual science book, but alas they never do.
5/12/2009 7:12:53 PM
#954558
Fanatic-Templar
"Well considering the maximum life span for a human used to be early 30s, I think 70 is pretty impressive."
Since we already know the fundie is an idiot, I want to disagree with this. I don't know when our maximum lifespan 'used to' be supposedly early thirties, I surely never read about that.
I know that human average lifespan could be around thirty (or far less) during most of our history, but it is important to note that these averages were markedly low because of ridiculously high child mortality rates. Even when average lifespans were about thirty or less, maximum lifespans could still be fairly high once you managed to survive long enough, and especially if you were in the favoured societal classes.
So while I agree with this person's intent, I do believe he is wrong.
As for Watchmen, he's an idiot.
5/12/2009 7:14:15 PM
#954563
fundiesRtehlulz
Understanding fail
5/12/2009 7:23:37 PM
#954564
HeathenAngel
Excuse me, Waiter... someone dropped a load of fail into my word salad. Do I get a refund?
5/12/2009 7:26:01 PM
#954565
Antichrist
Both my grandmothers were 90+ when they passed away. I know many people well into their 80's who still live active lives. Since when is 70 the maximum life span?
5/12/2009 7:31:06 PM
#954569
Osiris
Second Law of Thermodynamics allows for increase of energy in a open system, if the energy coming into the system is greater then then the energy being wasted in it.
If you don't think this applies to life science then go outside and stare directly into the bright round object in the sky.
5/12/2009 7:45:49 PM
#954575
do these people even know what the second law says. they just seem to bring it up when they don't understand something.
5/12/2009 7:58:54 PM
#954577
Thinking Allowed
Second law of thermaldynamics (never could spell that) says what?
...says nothing about evolution.
5/12/2009 8:01:08 PM
#954585
Amanda
Man, are you wrong! Put down your book of fairy tales and pick up a science book.
5/12/2009 8:16:15 PM
#954586
Vince
stop taking your facts from the bible and stop trying to use thermodynamics with evolution, then you can have an opinion.
5/12/2009 8:19:24 PM
#954588
Orestes
I refused to continue reading after he claimed our early ancestors lived for hundreds of years. When your entire argument hinges on a fucking story book created by bronze age goat herders and absolutely zero empirical evidence, you've lost the damn game.
5/12/2009 8:21:24 PM
#954593
Brenz
More likely it would allow reproduction at later and later ages. See: Tony Randall.
Give back WATCHMEN. You don't get to have that.
5/12/2009 8:33:09 PM
#954594
Thejebusfire
[Actually, it used to be in the hundreds and now has dwindled down to the 70's.]
It never was in the hundreds.
5/12/2009 8:33:52 PM
#954596
No One
Chances are that if you can't even spell thermodynamics you shouldn't be using at evidence for anything.
5/12/2009 8:35:12 PM
#954603
EvoPagan
People are routinely living into their 80s and 90s now...oh, except for fundies who don't care about their bodies or their environment because Zombie Jesus is going to come back and give them shiny brand-new demon-fighting bodies and magical mansions in the sky.
I'd like to send you back to medieval times--as a WOMAN--so you can live to be middle-aged and die giving birth to your fourth child AT FIFTEEN.
5/12/2009 8:51:21 PM
#954609
Zoo
Note that long lifespans reported in 'historical' (read ancient) documents may (or may not) report actual people, but have been known to exaggerate actual lifespans. (BTW, how many times do I need to pull out the Sumerian King List? http://www-etcsl.orient.ox.ac.uk/section2/tr211.htm)
And the second law has nothing to do with anything you think it does, and it's meant for closed systems anyhow. In fact, I could use the second law (if I really wanted to abuse it) to argue points completely opposite to yours. Pick up a book by a real scientist for once.
5/12/2009 9:01:36 PM
#954614
aaa
For the last time, earth is NOT A CLOSED SYSTEM!
5/12/2009 9:07:34 PM
#954625
raindrops
You knew you spelled wrong but decided to continue anyway. Did you also know your thoughts are full of garbage but decided to continue anyway?
Idiot, lazy, or both.
5/12/2009 9:20:53 PM
#954627
Sasha
I like how he thinks that human beings lived only for months or days in the beginning, and we had to evolve to live for decades.
Dude! Graduate high school before posting on the Interwebs!
5/12/2009 9:22:04 PM
#954628
Captain Obvious
First of all the Second Law of thermodynamics only applies to closed systems. The earth is not a closed system as it receives a massive amount of energy from the sun every day.
If you take the solar system as a single system then yes, we are constantly losing energy. The amount of order on this planet is far outstripped by the amount of order being destroyed in the Sun.
Secondly the second law of thermodynamics does not apply to lifespans or to life in general. Anything that is alive is taking in energy, so it is not a closed system.
5/12/2009 9:22:20 PM
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