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[If your god revealed to you in a set of flawless communications you could not dispute that you should kill every child you see under the age of 2, would you?]

I don't see what the problem is, or why people were avoiding this last night. I mean, of course it's supposed to be a trap but it's a toothless one of no concern to any sufficiently intelligent individual. The answer is yes, and how would you possibly take issue with that position regardless of whether you believe in my god or don't believe in any god?

If I am correct that my God is the Creator God, that we are all his creations, then killing every child under two on the planet is no more inherently significant than a programmer unilaterally wiping out his AI-bots in a game universe. He alone has the right to define right and wrong, and as the Biblical example of King Saul and the Amalekites demonstrates, He has occasionally deemed it a moral duty to wipe out a people.

And as we are informed in Revelation, He will wipe out many peoples through the acts of (presumably) His angels. Jefferson can complain that this makes God unworthy of worship all he likes, but that's as irrelevant as complaining that Stalin wasn't properly elected according to the Soviet Constitution. Although in this case it isn't might makes right, it is a much simpler case of might = right. Obey or perish.

Vox Day, Vox Populi 97 Comments [5/13/2009 1:23:57 PM]
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lonelocust

If I succeeded in creating truly sentient AIs, I would consider it immoral to delete them, even if I and I alone made them.

Of course, that's the point of view of someone who doesn't believe that morality is arbitrary nor authoritarian, but is inerrant and based on respect and empathy.

5/13/2009 1:31:37 PM



Ellytoad

In your shoes, I would wonder why I wasn't aghast at the possibility of God ordering such a thing in the first place.
Your nonchalance... is disturbing.

5/13/2009 1:35:45 PM

PsyDan

This is why your God disturbs me and attracts a great number of unsavory types.

5/13/2009 1:40:14 PM

Jamie

"Obey or perish"

Let's pretend you aren't full of horseshit. In this instance, if those are my options, I'd rather perish. My clean conscience can comfort me while I'm down in hell with the sane people.

5/13/2009 1:40:36 PM

PsyDan

What's particularly disturbing is that this is the kind of sociopath that would be doing all kinds of horrible things if it weren't for his belief in his God and his rules.

5/13/2009 1:41:35 PM

Telamon

And you worry that the secular world is desensitized to graphic violence...
If killing children isn't wrong, even when done by a god, then nothing is wrong.

And good job comparing God to Stalin.

Sorry, but I won't obey a murderous dictator I can't overthrow. I sure hope the real God is better than your psychotic delusion.

5/13/2009 1:42:28 PM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

If your god wants to murder people, let him do his dirty work himself. (That way, we can be sure it won't happen.)

5/13/2009 1:43:16 PM

EvoPagan

Remember this the next time they release a study on dwindling church attendance. People are finally wising up to this type of nonsense.

5/13/2009 1:50:10 PM

WMDKitty

Barbaric.

5/13/2009 2:00:48 PM

Zoo

Millions of children are like "beings" that have only a digital existence?

Your God sucks.

5/13/2009 2:01:23 PM

JSS

Obey or perish. Same philosophy used by Stalin, Hitler, and other tyrants. I assume you admire them as well?

5/13/2009 2:02:13 PM



All I need is my iron chariot and this:

5/13/2009 2:05:08 PM

BeemerRefugee1990

Once again, you succeed in being an insult and an embarrassment to lampreys.

5/13/2009 2:13:41 PM

Doctor Whom

But it's we who are the moral relativists. Uh huh, right.

5/13/2009 2:21:34 PM

The Lazy One

I'm a student of computer programming.

Me deleting data is not the same as me killing millions of people just because I wanted to save "hard drive space". See, people aren't little bits of data. People are people.

But if you think you're a bit of data, then feel free to take yourself to the recycle bin. It's on the right corner of your screen. Go ahead, don't be shy. After all, if you're just data, why don't you want to be deleted?

Asshole.

5/13/2009 2:25:32 PM

CohibaMan

I suppose that Vox Day and others on the right would have a fundamental problem with Socrates' argument in Euthyphro...

"Although in this case it isn't might makes right, it is a much simpler case of might = right."

The argument that is being advanced here is most certainly might makes right in the most quintessential of senses. The Christian position very much comes down to the notion that omnipotence grants one the right to be the "source" of the rules without any need or regard for definitive principles.

Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle are all rolling in their graves.

5/13/2009 2:33:45 PM

CohibaMan

Of course, the question I would love to see Vox Day answer, given the argument he has made above:

If God revealed to you in a set of flawless communications you could not dispute that every woman ought to have at least one abortion in their lives, would you support that?

After all, everyone knows these people could give two shits about children after they've already been born... the real trick is to push them on that single issue upon which they build much of their world view.

5/13/2009 2:45:32 PM

Freethink


Aren't these the same people screaming about "the right to life"? But if sky daddy says "kill the children", that makes it OK? These people are so off the wall, it's incredible!



By the way...This is my first comment here. I have to admit to being a lurker here for a long
time.

Love the site. It definitely doesn't suck!:0)

5/13/2009 2:51:06 PM

Skyknight

You're not doing a very good job distinguishing the philosophies of God and Satan here (apart from which one they regard to be worthy of obedience)...

5/13/2009 3:01:42 PM

Brain_In_A_Jar

See, people aren't little bits of data. People are people.

Are you sure? Unless you believe in ill-defined, unproven, nonsensical things like souls, surely a mechanistic view of the universe asserts that that is exactly what "people", which is to say mechanisms of sentience, are - patterns arising in data stored and processed in our brains. If you created a piece of software that modelled every neuron in a brain and the electrochemical reactions between them, would that be any less of a person than that contained within an actual, physical living brain?

Vox Day is, as far as I'm concerned, correct in taking the mechanistic approach and asserting that killing people is no different to destroying sentient software; where he fucks up horribly is in asserting that the latter is of no moral consequence, and therefore neither is the equivalent former, whereas I take the opposite view - the former is of crucial moral importance, and therefore so is the equivalent latter.

5/13/2009 3:02:53 PM

Thinking Allowed

If I had a two year old child and god demanded I kill all children two and under, I'd refuse it. That just shows that a god like such is incapable of love.

5/13/2009 3:07:27 PM

CohibaMan

@Brain_In_A_Jar

"Vox Day is, as far as I'm concerned, correct in taking the mechanistic approach and asserting that killing people is no different to destroying sentient software; where he fucks up horribly is in asserting that the latter is of no moral consequence, and therefore neither is the equivalent former, whereas I take the opposite view - the former is of crucial moral importance, and therefore so is the equivalent latter. "

I just wanted to say, "Beautifully stated."

5/13/2009 3:11:18 PM

Orestes

The fact that there are people who sincerely hold this mentality is beyond disturbing. Omit the God part, and it's exactly the same as what people like Charles Manson believed.

5/13/2009 3:21:48 PM

Eden

So Abortion is evil,
but killing every 2 years old if your god commands it is a good thing..
Sure ;)

5/13/2009 3:23:01 PM

Tolpuddle Martyr

This is from the mind of the man who called Dawkins, Harris, and Hitchens irrational. Read and weep (or laugh).

5/13/2009 3:49:23 PM
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