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(On the question "How we know that only the Bible is the written and actual word of God, when other religion's book claim the same?")

The argument is not “The Bible is the Word of God because it says it is.” Rather, the argument is “The Bible is the Word of God because it says it is and any alternative leads to absurdity.”

If the Bible were not the Word of God, we would have no foundation for all the things we take for granted, such as laws of logic, uniformity of nature, and morality. The law of non-contradiction, for example, is based on the self-consistent nature of the biblical God (2 Timothy 2:13). The Bible itself tells us that all knowledge depends upon God (Proverbs 1:7; Colossians 2:3). Most other religious books do not make the claim that all knowledge is deposited in their god; and if they did, they would not be able to make good on the claim. Therefore, the argument will only work for the Bible.

"Dr." Jason Lisle, Answers in Genesis 57 Comments [5/18/2009 11:38:53 AM]
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wackadoodle

Its fucking AMAZING how many christians, not YECs, fundies or any other 'fringe', regular christians you see everyday, think this is a sound argument. That theirs nothing wrong with "the bible says it happened so it happened, all those other holy books saying the same thing are wrong because its not the bible"

5/18/2009 11:41:48 AM

dpareja

How do they not realize that their whole argument boils down to "the Bible is right because the Bible says it's right," which is precisely the claim they say they're not making?

5/18/2009 11:44:06 AM



Evidence, please... ?

5/18/2009 11:52:59 AM

aaa

Have you ever paid serious attention to every religion's holy manuscripts?

Edit, @dpareja: Consistency is not their forté, kid. Some of them don't even realize that their arguments don't hold water until they are about a mile under the ocean of irrelevancy.

5/18/2009 11:56:19 AM



So people who created other religions where not as stuck up and full of themselves as yours, therefore Jesus? A++ would read again.

5/18/2009 11:56:32 AM

John

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them. "
- Galileo Galilei

5/18/2009 12:11:51 PM

Yahweh is inconsistent

And "Doctor" Lisle doesn't seem terribly well acquainted with 'the laws of logic'.

5/18/2009 12:16:13 PM

John

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them. "
- Galileo Galilei

5/18/2009 12:21:34 PM

Gah

Do these people never, honestly, look at this argument and see it for the circular logic it is? The irrational stupidity is beyond belief.

'How do we know the Bible is the Word of God? Because it says so in the Bible.'
ARGH!

5/18/2009 12:27:35 PM

Orestes

Another doctor of Funology, taking the stage.

5/18/2009 12:29:11 PM

BobsOldSocks

'The argument is not “The Bible is the Word of God because it says it is.” Rather, the argument is “The Bible is the Word of God because it says it is and any alternative leads to absurdity.”'

"The Bible itself tells us that all knowledge depends upon God (Proverbs 1:7; Colossians 2:3). Most other religious books do not make the claim that all knowledge is deposited in their god; and if they did, they would not be able to make good on the claim. Therefore, the argument will only work for the Bible."

As circular as arguments get.

5/18/2009 12:33:02 PM

Mageapprentice

Sing with me! (to the tune of "The song that never ends")

This is the logic that never ends-
Yes, it goes round and round my friend-
Somebody started thinking it, not knowing where it'd end-
And they will go on thinking it forever just because-

This is the logic that never ends...

5/18/2009 12:34:06 PM



"If the Bible were not the Word of God, we would have no foundation for..."

Except all the other religious books of other religions? What makes your book better than their book that makes the same claims?

5/18/2009 12:43:16 PM

Valohir

What no one seems to point out is that the bible, and the character of God in fact seems to have no knowledge of the natural world, thus contradicting that we have learned anything from the bible. The true god of all the Universe would know that disease and mad ravings (like those that Jesus cures over and over again in the NT) are caused by viruses, bacteria and/or genetics, and not by demons. God needs to do everything with miracles, where as using the powerful natural forces would be just as effective, and then explaining how would convince anyone that he exists, (maybe a heavy rainstorm in the Sinai to sink Pharoh's army, as opposed to a parted lake, with then a little speech about high and low fronts). All in all the bible disproves itself.

5/18/2009 12:44:24 PM

Grigadil

Bible words are words of the bible, because the bible bibles of Word.

WORD, I say!

5/18/2009 12:48:08 PM

Swedish Pagan

Have you read every religious text there is? Nah, didn't think so.

The law of non-contradiction, you must be kidding, right? If you were to create a religion wouldn't that be the way to start, wouldn't it? To say that this is the basis, God knows everything?

Good thing you put quotation marks round the title Dr... You have to have a doctorate to call yourself doctor.

5/18/2009 12:56:32 PM

The L

Funny. I don't believe in a word of your Bible, yet I have a firm grasp of (pagan) logic, (pagan) morality, and (pagan) ideas of consistency.

All knowledge does not depend upon your god, otherwise the Greeks wouldn't have discovered ALL THOSE THINGS before Jesus was even a twinkle in Mary's eye.

Also, circular logic FTL.

5/18/2009 12:58:42 PM

John

If the Bible were not the Word of God, we would have no foundation for all the things we take for granted, such as laws of logic, uniformity of nature, and morality.

Gee, I wonder how the Chinese, Greeks and Indians managed to develop laws of logic, uniformity of nature, and morality without the Bible?

The law of non-contradiction, for example, is based on the self-consistent nature of the biblical God

Really? "It is impossible for the same thing to belong and not belong simultaneously to the same thing in the same respect" Aristotle's principle of non-contradiction: Metaphysics IV

5/18/2009 1:19:18 PM

Mayhem


5/18/2009 1:29:56 PM

WMDKitty

"The Bible is the word of God because it says it is, and any alternative leads to absurdity."

What. The. Bloody. Fuck?!

5/18/2009 1:30:05 PM

emau99

[If the Bible were not the Word of God, we would have no foundation for all the things we take for granted, such as laws of logic, uniformity of nature, and morality.]

Dr. Lisle? There are a bunch of ancient Greeks here to see you, and they look VERY pissed off!

5/18/2009 1:31:25 PM

Doctor Whom

The true god of all the Universe would know that disease and mad ravings (like those that Jesus cures over and over again in the NT) are caused by viruses, bacteria and/or genetics, and not by demons.

Heck, the true god of all the Universe would know how many legs an insect has.

5/18/2009 1:31:33 PM

Blue J

For all of you who were wondering, this is a real Christian theological school of thought called "presuppositionalism." It was originally championed by a guy named Cornelius van Till. Look it up - people actually take this stuff seriously.

5/18/2009 1:40:24 PM

Papabear

"The argument is not “The Bible is the Word of God because it says it is.” Rather, the argument is “The Bible is the Word of God because it says it is and any alternative leads to absurdity.”

Which might work well if, and this is the big if, the Bi8le weren't mind-numbingly absurd.

5/18/2009 1:40:27 PM



For a man with a legitimate Ph.D in Astrophysics, this guy sure does talk a lot of nonsensical bullshit.

5/18/2009 1:42:08 PM
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