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[Upon being found guilty of second-degree reckless homicide for refusing to give her daughter insulin for religious reasons.]

"My faith in God does not waver in the midst of this storm. We have peace in God, regardless of the decision made yesterday. Our emotions do not hinge on how, or if, the rest of the world approves of our actions. We live for God’s approval alone, standing with the apostles and many others willing to be thrown into the fiery furnace if need be, but we WILL NOT worship or bow down to any other God. I did what I thought was lawful. I didn’t realize it would be a crime to pray for my daughter. I didn’t realize the medical experts for the prosecution would consider me a medical expert concerning my daughter’s condition. I have never read a medical book. I do not watch TV and, therefore, have never seen a medical show. I do not know what a coma is, nor was I saying this word. This word came out through the press and other witnesses. Later on Sunday, I recognized a change in Kara’s condition, as we witnessed the deep sleep and a completely limp body, but for reasons some may not understand, I was not fearful -- thinking this was something my daughter could fully recover from. Again, I did not understand what the changes in Kara’s body meant, whether good or bad, so we sought for answers from God. Doctors themselves depend on modern medical equipment to help them develop a diagnosis and determine the condition of a patient after many tests. My leaning is spiritual, so I, along with others, did believe God would supply the answers through prayer.

"This trial was completely unfair, in our opinion, and it is going to take a higher power to bring Righteous Justice. I have given Brian Gordan, my stepfather, the liberty to be my spokesman in the natural realm to fight against the injustice of these actions against us. I, along with many others who believe in True Justice, will continue to fight on in the spiritual realm. The battle is far from over and the verdict shows us how much more work needs to be done in our fight for religious freedom and parental liberty of decent, law-abiding citizens who love their children."

Leilani Neumann, http://www.helptheneumanns.com 110 Comments [5/27/2009 9:54:57 AM]
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draco_nite

What a sadist.

5/27/2009 10:00:54 AM



If you don't understand what a coma is, you are not fit to be a parent.

5/27/2009 10:01:19 AM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

"... it is going to take a higher power to bring Righteous Justice ..."

True, if there were such a thing as "righteous justice" this child abuser's butt would be roasting in Hell right now.

5/27/2009 10:06:17 AM

Amanda

You are not a mother. A mother does everything she can to protect her children, not hurt them. You may have given birth, but you are no mother.

5/27/2009 10:06:27 AM

Dio Fa

Well, your impotent god certainly came through in the clutch. Your child is dead and you are (deservedly) up on charges.

You are still responsible for your child's health and welfare, morally and legally. If you have any others, they should be removed from your custody immediately.

5/27/2009 10:17:39 AM

wackadoodle

"I'm a murderer"

^thats alot easier than those two paragraphs of bullshit.

5/27/2009 10:26:55 AM

BobsOldSocks

I hope you spend a very, *very* long time in prison. Filth.

5/27/2009 10:27:27 AM

aaa

We have a name for this sort of event. It's called "Death by stupidity".

5/27/2009 10:28:32 AM

Clown

Holly shit! That's one scary post. *shivers like a leaf*

5/27/2009 10:29:36 AM

CailinBan

Her daughter DIED and she still thinks she's right??? That's unbelievable.

5/27/2009 10:34:06 AM

Thundersqueaks

Another child sacrificed to YHVH.

5/27/2009 10:36:21 AM

Arts_Myth

Betcha she had a lawyer. And how much law does she herself know? She hasn't seen any legal programs, so she should have been all set to let God be her defense attorney (whatever she might think that was). Bet she still didn't rely on prayer alone to be declared innocent. Who knows? Maybe that's why she wound up being found guilty. Not enough faith.

5/27/2009 10:37:08 AM

Zeus Almighty

I have never watched a crime show on television nor read a newspaper or book (except for the Bible of course), so I didn't know child rape/armed robbery/giving weapons to the Contras was illegal. But I prayed before I child raped/robbed that bank/gave weapons to the Contras.
I feel my persecution was unfair, as God never specifically told me not to child rape/rob banks/give weapons to the Contras.

5/27/2009 10:39:14 AM

rw23

For someone who expresses herself so lucidly I have serious difficulty believing you when you say you don't know what a coma is. You certainly seem to understand that doctors use medical equipment and tests as an aid to diagnosis.

Your press statement also says "I think the law should be more clearly written before any charges can be made against parents who pray." Well, you have your wish: you've contributed to case law.

5/27/2009 10:42:38 AM

redlemon

People pray for sick relatives all the time. Nobody said that you couldn't pray and have your god help things along. BUT, normally those people who pray are doing so from a doctors office. Or a hospital. Or an ambulance.

And dude, you don't have to know what a coma actually is to know that it's time to call 911.

5/27/2009 10:44:57 AM

Equalist

Situations like this are just sickening. It's bothersome enough that knowing she didn't know anything about medicine, she didn't bother to get a professional opinion on her daughter's condition when it changed, then she wants to say she was treated unfairly when she was judged for her actions? Screw that, that child was treated unfairly when she was allowed to die because of her mother's stubborn ignorance.

5/27/2009 10:47:38 AM

Allegory for Jesus

Glad to see that she can still be self-righteous after needlessly bringing about a slow death for their daughter, and have learned absolutely nothing from the ordeal, aside from an apparent increase in their aptitude of pleading ignorance. Poor thing didn't know what a coma was and thought that sickness must be prayed away. Doesn't make her any less negligent, and if she had used the same excuse for having let her daughter starve to death and not seeking out some form of readily available help in lieu of prayer, she would have got the same result.

5/27/2009 10:56:53 AM

Grigadil

Whoever told this 'woman' not to trust doctors should also be charged with criminal stupidity.

5/27/2009 10:57:02 AM

Eden

I didn’t realize the medical experts for the prosecution would consider me a medical expert concerning my daughter’s condition. I have never read a medical book. I do not watch TV and, therefore, have never seen a medical show. I do not know what a coma is, nor was I saying this word. This word came out through the press and other witnesses.

And this is the reason why homeschooling is a bad thing. Had you visited a regular school, Leilani, you would have at least some basic knowledge about biology and medicine and probably would have taken your daughter to a medic.
But obviously your parents were either lacking a lot of important basic knowledge as well, or they thought that, aside from the bible you wouldn´t need any other knowledge.

Doctors themselves depend on modern medical equipment to help them develop a diagnosis and determine the condition of a patient after many tests. My leaning is spiritual, so I, along with others, did believe God would supply the answers through prayer.

And I assume you haven´t learned from your mistakes, despite the fact that your actions lead to the death of your daughter you would do the same thing again (if you had another daughter and she developed the same medical conditions)

I have given Brian Gordan, my stepfather, the liberty to be my spokesman in the natural realm to fight against the injustice of these actions against us.

As you obviously lack the knowledge to manage everyday situations in the real world, it is obvious that you need other persons to speak or act for you ;)

5/27/2009 10:57:36 AM

Elphada

Well spoken for somebody trying to convince the masses that you were ignorant of your child's condition. I hope the rest of your children are taken away from you. I hope you rot in a jail cell. I'm sure the inmates will have great sympathy for you. Have fun with that one! The prosecution's medical experts did not consider you an expert. Any decent mother would have done everything possible to take their child to the ER. You say I recognized a change in Kara's condition. Condition? Sounds like you knew what she had you bitch.

5/27/2009 11:02:30 AM

Swedish Pagan

Maybe parents shouldn't have the last say in the medical care of their children. Maybe there ought to be some kind of child advocates. But how can you make sure that they are acting in the best interest of the child?

If someone, expecially your child who you are responsible for, becomes unresponsive, looks strange or behaves strange, you should always seek advice from an expert. And regarding medical issues a doctor is the expert to go to. A priest or a pastor is an expert in spiritual and philosophical issues only.

5/27/2009 11:19:58 AM

Antichrist

Your mothering skills are around the level of a snake. Congratulations.

Why do I get the feeling the mother would go to the hospital for as much as a stubbed toe.

5/27/2009 11:23:15 AM



On this persons website they say that all the medical proffesionals should be prosectued because sometimes people die in their care. Among other crazy things.

5/27/2009 11:27:42 AM

Old Viking

And they wonder why more people aren't turning to religion.

5/27/2009 11:38:31 AM

Paschal Wagner

You murdered your child.

I hope that at some point, you wake up in the middle of the night and realise this.

You murdered your own child.

5/27/2009 11:40:02 AM
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