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[a textbook sample from a history textbook touted for 5th to *12th* graders]

You knew it was coming! I told you in the last section Europe was on the eve of yet another
invasion! “How is that possible!?” you ask. Well, we know that pagans–who let their own
impulses rule as gods in their lives rather than acknowledging the supremacy of God and His
laws–are quite happy to prey on the weak. That is barbaric. Do you see? Paganism
automatically creates barbarism. Pound, pound, pound this truth into your head! When you are
tempted to be your own god by acting on your own wrong impulses, remember that you would
be acting like a pagan...which would lead you to do barbaric things, things which hurt others.

When the world around you says it wants to be free of God’s laws and makes that ‘freedom’
sound happy-go-lucky, a red flag better go up in your heart! For their quest is just a pretty
description of paganism...which will lead to barbarism. And to what does barbarism lead?
Destruction! Suffering! Pain!

Truth Quest History Series, Truth Quest History Series 57 Comments [5/30/2009 1:48:33 AM]
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PWEOTWEB

Wow, and you cunts call liberals brainwashing.

On a side note, am I the only one that got Immigrant Song stuck in their head when they saw the title of the section in that link? >.>

5/30/2009 1:56:51 AM

Lilith

I assume this is for homeschoolers?

5/30/2009 2:07:38 AM



Read the excerpt. Its hilarious. This "curriculum" contains the following gem for suggested reading:

"Yo, Vikings! by Judith Schachner Gr. 1-3
I have not seen this, but have only read it described as a modern girl’s exploration for
info on Eric the Red...which leads to her getting a used Viking ship!"

You've never even seen the book, yet you stick it in your curriculum. Learn2syllabus.

5/30/2009 2:10:13 AM



ODIN!

5/30/2009 2:14:15 AM

Wondershocked

The unit sample for "Recent History" is pretty awful, too, even aside from the religiousity.

It suggests reading Christy, by Catherine Marshall, to get a portrait of APPALACHIA. That book basically does for Appalachia what Heat and Dust did for India.

I know no one in America cares about Appalachia aside from the people living there and those who someday want to return, but still.

5/30/2009 2:20:00 AM

Clown

G0d, I hope this is poe site...

5/30/2009 2:34:54 AM

Brain_In_A_Jar

It's immediately, abundantly, painfully obvious that the authors of this heap of shit have never laid eyes on a single real textbook about anything, and quite possibly never once set foot in any educational institute more advanced than elementary school, if that. Apparently, they think that histrionics and generally reading like a direct transcription of impassioned, zealous ranting are good things in an educational text.

5/30/2009 2:37:14 AM

Vesper

There are way too many exclamation points for this to be a real text book beyond say the 3rd grade.
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Ok so that section some how has a 7.4 Flesh-Kincaid grade level...

That is truly depressing.

5/30/2009 2:37:17 AM

ausador

hay i remeber thes buk frum wen i was homskulld it wer mi favorit

5/30/2009 2:44:40 AM

Random Man

Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering, suffering leads to the dark side...

5/30/2009 2:52:17 AM

BobsOldSocks

Holy fuck! They actually teach this to children?! No wonder the home-schooled are so ignorant, they don't stand a chance with this crap. The real world must come as a helluva shock.

5/30/2009 3:03:25 AM

Argle Bargle

The author of this tripe probably doesn't realize that every invader also creates new trade routes and changes the raided culture, for better or for worse.

For example, the Norman invaders conquered the Saxons, and after a while accepted Christianity and heired the entire English nobility. If it weren't for the Normans, the Saxons would have probably remained a group of scattered tribes, there would be no Great Britain, and almost certainly no United States.

Shit like the "Truth Quest Series" happen when you drop objective analysis of historical events and turn history into an indoctrination tool.

Any kid who has been force fed this baloney will have a hard time adapting to the real world.


5/30/2009 3:58:22 AM

Concerned Brit

So this guy didn't get the memo that the pagans were in Europe first and it was the Christians that invaded?

I wonder what this textbook has to say about witch trials, the English Reformation, the crusades and the hundreds of years of Christian infighting that make up a big chunk of European History from the 14th to the 20th Centuries? (yes Catholics are Christian, they accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour who dies on the cross to absolve them of their sins and that he rose on the third day and blah blah blah blahdy blah! {Isn't state religion and enforced prayer in primary schools such fun?})

5/30/2009 4:12:48 AM

aaa

Your book series is bad and you should feel bad.

5/30/2009 4:13:04 AM

Pule Thamex

emocleW ot eht rorrim esrevinu fo hturT tseuQ yrotsiH seireS.

5/30/2009 4:37:47 AM

shykid

Oh, cool, "series" is almost a palindrome.

Sorry, ADD.

5/30/2009 5:22:33 AM

rw23

@Argle Bargle: "For example, the Norman invaders conquered the Saxons, and after a while accepted Christianity and heired the entire English nobility. If it weren't for the Normans, the Saxons would have probably remained a group of scattered tribes, there would be no Great Britain, and almost certainly no United States."

You've got your English history a little bit off track there! The Normans were already Christians, being Vikings who had settled in Normandy five generations earlier and adopted French custom (most notably feudalism) and language (Norman French). The English (not just Saxons) were not scattered tribes but an organised and mostly stable kingdom (the instability coming from occasional strife between those with Anglo-Saxon and those with Danish ancestry, roughly characterised by a north-south split). England had the most advanced currency and system of finance in Western Europe, which was only possible because the country was well-organised and well-run. About 80% of the English nobility were killed or dispossessed during the Conquest, but the idea of an aristocracy wasn't a Norman one either.

If there hadn't been a Danish invasion a fortnight prior to the Norman one, the Norman invasion would probably not have succeeded.

5/30/2009 5:29:14 AM

Thinking Allowed


5/30/2009 5:39:43 AM

(¬_¬)

For historical fiction sources they should have mentioned the saxon series by bernard cornwell, there is lots of christianity in it, but the protagonist is a pagan who hates christians so they wouln't like that would thary?

5/30/2009 5:42:12 AM

Xotan

You knew it was coming! I told you in the last section Europe was on the eve of yet another
invasion! “How is that possible!?” you ask. Well, we know that pagans–who let their own
impulses rule as gods in their lives rather than acknowledging the supremacy of God and His laws–are quite happy to prey on the weak. That is barbaric.

=== So what happened to the invasion of Europe? Not a very consistent argument.

And I suppose Cheney and GWB etc did not prey on the weak either? They certainly pursued barbaric themes in Guantanamo and Abu Graib.

OTOH, Europe was civilised by the Greeks, and subsequently by the Romans and Celts long before the Christian God came on the scene.

Would you care to re-think your argument?

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Do you see? Paganism
automatically creates barbarism. Pound, pound, pound this truth into your head! When you are
tempted to be your own god by acting on your own wrong impulses, remember that you would
be acting like a pagan...which would lead you to do barbaric things, things which hurt others.

==== Idiot! Re-read my previous point. The Greeks and Romans and Celts had functioning civilisations long before they ever heard of Christianity. And they had laws too, to protect and punish in a legal and fair way. Or do you think they were all Christian say about 400 BCE?


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When the world around you says it wants to be free of God’s laws and makes that ‘freedom’
sound happy-go-lucky, a red flag better go up in your heart! For their quest is just a pretty description of paganism...which will lead to barbarism. And to what does barbarism lead?
Destruction! Suffering! Pain!

===== Destruction! Suffering! Pain! I thought that was the function of the Christian Inquisition, the KKK, all the Wars of Religion.

=====================

Whoever wrote Truth Quest Series is way out of their league. It's pathetic.

5/30/2009 6:11:19 AM

El Zorro

This is indoctrination at its finest. No subtelty here, just *wham!*.

5/30/2009 6:15:15 AM

Sideshow Bob

Professionalism? Objectivity? What are those?

5/30/2009 6:38:19 AM

Giveitaday

textbook sample from a history textbook touted for 5th to *12th* graders

And yet they blame atheism and secularism as the reason for american students constant steep decline in standardized testing scores.

They can't see that by only teaching things that conform to a 2000 year old book of fairy tales (A book which they hold up as infallible despite it's many inconsistencies) that they are robbing their children of important and vital information that could give them a distinct advantage in the world and allow them to rise above the delusions of mediocrity that would otherwise be their lot life.


Well, we know that pagans

And we will, no doubt, see just how little that the authors actually know about paganism.

who let their own
impulses rule as gods in their lives rather than acknowledging the supremacy of God and His laws–are quite happy to prey on the weak.


And christians don't do exactly the same? I can't count the number of times i've witnessed christians, both clergy and layperson alike, take advantage of someones personal tragedy or serious illness as both a means to forcibly convert them, and to solicite donations by implying that whatever has befallen that person can easily be fixed by turning to "god" and giving a "love offering" of X amount of dollars.

That is barbaric. Do you see?

How do you expect people to see what you are talking about when you don't even know in the first place?

Paganism automatically creates barbarism.

Would you care to explain why the Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Chinese, and countless other empires all reached their zenith as what you would call pagans? The Roman Empire was well into it's decline when it became wholly christian and completely collapsed just a scant century or so afterwards.

Also, since you seem to be completely unaware of this fact, most of the "barbarians" at that time had already converted to christianity. How can you author a history textbook when you are either unaware or willfully ignorant of history? History is not a subject in which you can make it up as you go along, nor is it a subject that you can embelish and twist until it fits into your agenda. When you do that you are no longer teaching history, you are teaching fiction.


Pound, pound, pound this truth into your head!

How can they? You haven't given them the truth.

When you are tempted to be your own god by acting on your own wrong impulses, remember that you would be acting like a pagan

You don't even know what paganism is.

which would lead you to do barbaric things, things which hurt others

Yes because burnig heretics and killing non converts hasn't ever hurt anyone... even the heathens, pagans, and heretics, right?

When the world around you says it wants to be free of God’s laws

The world around you isn't subject to the laws of "god". There is no "god" enforcing them, and for men to enforce them would make them not "god's" laws, but man's laws.

and makes that ‘freedom’ sound happy-go-lucky

You can be quite sure that anybody who values their freedom isn't "happy-go-lucky" about. They are dead serious, those who would cast off their freedom for ideological slavery don't deserve it in the first place.

For their quest is just a pretty description of paganism.

It's not a description of paganism. For fuck's sake can't you even be bothered to look up the fucking definition before you put it into a so-called "textbook"? How can you claim to want to educate others when you can't bother to educate yourself? You can't make up history as you go along, nor can you redefine a word and then superimpose it on a period of history and then expect your new definition to retroactivly apply. How dare you consider yourself educator or a historian, or even a christian for that matter. What kind of good "god" fearing christian is going to constanly break the commandment's prohibiting lying and bearing false witness?

which will lead to barbarism. And to what does barbarism lead? Destruction! Suffering! Pain!

You forgot to include the "dark side" in your list there, Yoda. Do you even realuze that most "pagan" societies were not backward barbarians, but instead the very foundations of the civilization you now enjoy. Christianity didn't invent or create civilization as we know it, pagans did.

"Ignorance educate thyself!"



5/30/2009 6:56:38 AM

Argle Bargle

@rw23

Thanks, I knew my historical knowledge was a bit iffy.

5/30/2009 7:05:30 AM

EvoPagan

Slavery is freedom! Hatred is love!

5/30/2009 7:18:45 AM
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