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how could they find out the age of the universe when they are not sure if the speed of light was constant during the big bang, how are they sure that at the time of the bang the speed was not 3000 or a million times the speed of light. Some scientists are retarded they think they know things, but they don’t. God created the universe, there was no big bang and God is going to come back to judge it, so get ready and read the Bible and put your trust in Jesus Christ

vanityvideo, Rocketboom 62 Comments [5/27/2009 9:14:49 PM]
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JohnTheAtheist

So, prevailing scientific wisdom is wrong becuase, according to you and Kent Hovind, we aren't sure of the speed of light at the big bang? But then you say there is no big bang? And they you say evidence doesn't matter anyway cause goddidit?

You Sir, are a douchebag, and a stupid one at that.

5/28/2009 5:32:39 AM

David B.

(1) If the speed of light were different, then the exchange between energy and matter (E=mc^2) would be different. If that exchange was different then stars (which shine because of nuclear fusion) would behave differently. If stars behaved differently, we would see it in the sky.

We don't. Supernovae and variable stars to the limits of detection behave like all supernovae/variables everywhere. The most distant galaxies we can see behave like ordinary galaxies.

So the speed of light hasn't changed. So the galaxies are really that far away (13 billion LY). So the universe is really that old.

(2) The speed of light is a mathematical consequence of Maxwell's equations, which we can check, here, on Earth. As long as there has been separation between the forces (i.e. at least ever since inflation), the speed of light has been constant.

(3) Inflation serves to make the universe a big place very fast. If inflation was wrong then the universe would be older than we imagine, not younger (unless the correct theory turns out to be "Loop Quantum Cosmology's" superinflation hypothesis, which might alter things by a few million years eaither way).

5/28/2009 5:48:04 AM

Orion

"Some scientists are retarded they think they know things, but they don’t."

Priceless. My 7 year old cousin couldn't come up with anything more classic.s

I mean that is just brilliant.

I lol'd

5/28/2009 5:53:03 AM

Table Rock

I missed the verse in the bible where it said that god gradually increased the speed of light.

5/28/2009 5:58:07 AM

EvoPagan

Some scientists are retarded they think they know things, but they don’t.

That's certainly not a state of being limited only to those in the scientific community.

5/28/2009 6:27:06 AM



Yes, Einstein is fucking retarded. Bronze age goat-herders otoh, know what's what.

/weeps for humanity

5/28/2009 6:43:31 AM

Zoo

You happen to be extremely well-versed (pile of degrees and research experience, like those "retarded" scientists have) in cosmology then?

5/28/2009 6:44:13 AM

JonnyTruant

That's because smart scientists, with the power of math, advanced optics, and other instruments, have been able to determine that the speed of light is constant, not influenced by the movement of objects either emitting it or reflecting/refracting it.

YOu have a moldy book.

I'll side with the scientists, thanks.

5/28/2009 6:48:53 AM



If the speed of light wasn't constant since 380,000 years after the Big Bang we could tell. Do these people realize they'd have to disprove General Relativity?

5/28/2009 6:50:58 AM



Not even a basic grasp of physics, what a shame.

5/28/2009 6:57:46 AM

Crazianity

Remind me again of where god came from?

5/28/2009 6:57:57 AM



No, we don't know what happened at the Big Bang. It's a singularity. That messes with equations. However, we can see the light from the decoupling at about 300 000 years or so after the Big Bang, and we do know how fast that's moving, and how long it's been moving for. And in this context, I hardly believe 300 000 years matters. The universe is still older than 6000 years...

5/28/2009 7:11:24 AM

Dexter

I highly recommend cdk007s excellent series "Why Young Earth Creationists Must Deny Gravity".

Part I
Part II
Part III
Part IV
Part V

Just watch and start to think.

MfG

5/28/2009 8:02:31 AM

Lucilius

Translation: "I'm so dumb that not only don't I understand science, but I can't grasp that other people are smarter than I am. Therefore, I deny that anyone could make it through life by actually thinking and seeking out new facts, rather than witlessly accepting a simpleminded fairy tale."

5/28/2009 8:14:14 AM

smartz

"Some scientists are retarded they think they know things, but they don’t."

Hey Mr. vanityvideo. Are you a physicist? No? Then shut up and stop talking like you know anything. If you don't know anything about a topic, you don't give up and say "Goddidit", use your higher brain functions and do some research. However, it seems that if you think to hard, it will hurt your head.

5/28/2009 8:18:19 AM

John

how could they find out the age of the universe when they are not sure if the speed of light was constant during the big bang

He's right! Shoot, we could be off by milliseconds!

5/28/2009 8:19:20 AM

Antichrist

Um..... Yeah, we're sure about the speed of light, we've read the speedometer.

5/28/2009 8:27:51 AM

David B.

@Dexter:

Those are good videos, but it's a shame that the guy repeats the common misconception that galactic red shift is caused by the Doppler effect. It isn't, it's primarily due to the expansion of spacetime. I.e. draw a wave on a balloon, blow the balloon up a bit... tada, the wavelength got longer.

This is important because "Doppler shift" doesn't work. The Doppler effect would be proportional to the difference between the velocity of the galaxy when the light left it and the velocity of the Earth when the light reached it X millions of years later, where X depends on how far apart they are, which is what we were hoping to find out. There are too many unknowns.

Forget the Doppler effect, measurable redshifts correlate strongly with independent measurements of distance, allowing us to accurately estimate the Hubble constant and therefore deduce the distance to faraway galaxies.

Hubble's Law
Cosmological Redshift

5/28/2009 9:15:22 AM

Zeus Almighty

Let's say that you're right, Rockbottom, and the Big Bang is not valid. You know what? You still have to PROVE "goddidit" ... and you have absolutely no basis other than your "faith" to offer in that regard.
And from the way you asswipes pull your hair about when challenged by science, it's obvious none of you fundies have any faith.
Real faith grows stronger with challenges, it doesn't freak out like an 11-year-old girl who wasn't invited to the popular girls' slumber party.

5/28/2009 9:36:37 AM

Raskolnikov

Science works with hypotheses which it tries to validate/invalidate. That's because scientists have since long understood that all knowledge is tentative in nature. Something which doesn't seem to get through the fundies' thick skulls.

5/28/2009 10:34:58 AM

The L

I'm sorry, who's retarded again?

I've heard the "light slowed down" argument before. If the earth really is only 6000 years old, and the speed of light really is slowing down, then in 500 years we should see noticeable evidence that c is decreasing. However, so far, our approximations have all been pretty much the same. Whoops!

5/28/2009 11:03:57 AM

Old Viking

The speed of light: not as constant as fundy idiocy.

5/28/2009 11:49:41 AM

Allegory for Jesus

"Some scientists are retarded they think they know things, but they don’t. God created the universe, there was no big bang and God is going to come back to judge it"

Hypocrisy, thy name is anti-science fundamentalist internet commentator.

5/28/2009 12:58:01 PM

Dr. Novakaine

You don't even have the barest evidence of your claim, and yet you think you have the right to judge others based on an entirely different standard of proof? Do you even know what you're talking about? I'm going to guess no. Go back to your Bible and wither away into dust, please.

5/28/2009 12:59:54 PM

Mrs. Antichrist

There's more to determining the age of the universe than just the distance light has traveled, genius.

5/28/2009 2:33:04 PM
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