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[About the fossil "Ida"]

This is obviously a complete fossil. What Evolution has to show us is fossils of transtional forms with incomplete organs. Half fish half reptile, half reptile half bird. Montrous creatures. And the transitional forms must outnumber the stable species. we must have trillions of hem if evolution is a fact. But we dont have any. We have 100 million fossils today belonging to complete stable species. we dont have even single transitional form. That scientific fact refutes all the claims of Darwinism. Scientific fact disproves the theory of evolution. Species appear abruptly, complete and perfectly formed. This fact poves us an exalted Creation by Allah.

Oktar Babuna, Nature 62 Comments [5/30/2009 2:33:53 AM]
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dpareja

Replace "Allah" with "God" or "Yahweh" or the like and you've got yourself a Christian fundie.

5/30/2009 2:34:50 AM

Seldom Seen Kid

EVOLUTION DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!

5/30/2009 2:44:51 AM

fmitchell

"Half fish half reptile, half reptile half bird." But not like, say, Tiktaalik or Archaeopteryx.

No, they have to be Sewer Mutants from Futurama -- which aren't likely to survive long enough to pass on their genes -- in order to prove descent by natural selection. That makes sense.

5/30/2009 2:45:43 AM

Deep Search

Every species is a transitional species.

And it's not like there's proof of mammal-like reptilians or dinosaur-like birds or walking fish or anything...

5/30/2009 2:51:37 AM

Vesper

EVOLUTION DOes no....of fuck it.

Yep, it's all a lie. You, sir, have found the loop hole that all Satanic Darwinist hoped would stay hidden forever. Congratulations! Feel free to type this up in a peer reviewed journal so that you may claim your Nobel prize.

5/30/2009 3:07:04 AM

BobsOldSocks

There are many, many transitional fossils, Google is your friend. But just to help you along:

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC200.html

"This fact poves us an exalted Creation by Allah."

You're blinded to facts by your unreasoning, irrational faith.

5/30/2009 3:10:55 AM

ausador

Every fossil is a transitional form.
Every. Single. One. Ever.

5/30/2009 3:14:04 AM

Nowonmai

The definition of a transitional species/fossil eludes your grasp, doesn't it?

5/30/2009 3:21:12 AM

Null

I'll give him credit for having the balls to post this on a comments thread on Nature.

5/30/2009 3:23:54 AM

solomongrundy

Is this the same Dr Oktar Babuna who claimed to have cured himself of leukemia by prayer (while secretly attending the Seattle Cancer Care Alliance and the MD Anderson Cancer Center)?

If so, the scary thing is he's a neurosurgeon.

5/30/2009 4:13:06 AM

Pule Thamex

Allah produced anxiety in nervous young girls if he went too close to them. Either because they were fearful of his or his servants sexual advances or because they were afraid of having their genitals mutilated. Other than that, Allah, as well as the Christian god and the gods of other religions, exist only in the deluded minds of self-loathing fools or gullible people who have been brainwashed into accepting the validity of any old tosh.

5/30/2009 4:14:01 AM

Concerned Brit

Really, what this guy is trying to say is, "reality is stupid and wrong and I don't like it, (sky)Daddy make the nasty reality go away!"

Once again we must cue Morbo...

5/30/2009 4:22:45 AM

Zoo

Transitional forms were not incomplete, and they were stable species in their time. Most of the species that ever existed are extinct, but that doesn't mean they weren't stable, just unable to adapt to changing environmental conditions.

5/30/2009 4:29:41 AM

avatar

I know this retard. He's named after Adnan Oktar, also known as Harun Yahya of Atlas of Creation fame. The same idiot who also got the website of Richard Dawkins banned in Turkey.

5/30/2009 4:48:16 AM

avatar

This idiot is one of Adnan Oktar's most well-known toadies. He and his family milked the sympathy of his cancer to garner support for Adnan Oktar. Soulless Evangelists? Meet the Muslim version.

5/30/2009 4:50:11 AM

Tom S. Fox

Just imagine a Christian fundie reading this quote and nodding in agreement until they reach the last sentence.

5/30/2009 4:59:24 AM

Giveitaday

This is obviously a complete fossil.

You have an amazing grasp of the obvious.

What Evolution has to show us is fossils of transtional forms with incomplete organs.

No, that's what you claim it has to show. Evolutionary theory however predicts no such thing. Your claim lies exposed as a straw man to anybody who knows the slightest thing about evolutionary biology.

Half fish half reptile, half reptile half bird. Montrous creatures.

These are not things described by evolutionary theory, they are things which do not exist outside of fairy tales and the delusions of religious fundamentalist science deniers.

And the transitional forms must outnumber the stable species.

Transitionals forms are stable species in and of themselves, not radical jumps over a generation or two, but the result of numerous small changes compounded over countless generations. Face the facts, either you are willfully ignorant of the claims and predictios of evolutionary theory, tragically uneducated and uninformed on the matter, or you are just plain lying about it in order to advance your own religious and/or ideological agenda.

we must have trillions of hem if evolution is a fact. But we dont have any.

Evolutionary theory doesn't predict that there will be "trillions" of "transitional fossils", You assert that it says we should. Just ask any of people in the relative scientific fields and you will learn that it fossilization only occurs in certain circumstances and enviroments. Not everything that has ever lived is fossilized because it's a fairly rare occurence, but it is one that is very well understood.

We have 100 million fossils today belonging to complete stable species. we dont have even single transitional form.

Once again... Transitional. Forms. Are. Stable. Species. Themselves. You. Idiot.

That scientific fact refutes all the claims of Darwinism.

Really now? Just what are these "scientific facts"?

Scientific fact disproves the theory of evolution.

Just because you make a claim and then say that it is "scientific fact" doesn't make it so. If science so easily refutes evolutionary theory then why does the ToE have such wide range of evidence backing it up? Why is the ToE accepted in most of the relavent fields of science?

Are you suggesting that there is some kind of world wide conspiricy involving a large majority of the worlds scientific community to hide the evidence that flat out refutes evolution? And if so, then why? What would they gain from such a thing? And how would you even know in the first place?


Species appear abruptly, complete and perfectly formed.

If that's so then you should should be able to prove that new species such as nylon eating bacteria or citrate absorbing E. coli are in fact a result of special creation that happened so recently that there should surely be evidence of that act of special creation. Even more so because one of those species evolved into it's current form in controlled laboratory enviroment.

This fact poves us an exalted Creation by Allah.

It seems that the only difference between fundamentalist of various religions is what they choose to name their fairy tale skydaddy.


5/30/2009 5:03:49 AM

Lord Mushroom

Why must they insist on infiltrating my favourite light science journal!

5/30/2009 5:04:42 AM

Mudak

Could someone please tell me why all of the creationists of all religions seem so intent on focussing on the fossil record -- which will never be complete enough to convince them of the nature of evolution -- when there are much more robust proofs of evolution, such as DNA and related genetic materials?

5/30/2009 5:28:35 AM

Thinking Allowed

Sorry, but the crocoduck doesn't exist.

5/30/2009 5:32:17 AM

Thundersqueaks

Makes a nice change to see some Allahdidit nonsense.

5/30/2009 5:42:22 AM

John_in_Oz

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity
In the 2005 Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District trial, Behe gave testimony on the subject of irreducible complexity. The court found that "Professor Behe's claim for irreducible complexity has been refuted in peer-reviewed research papers and has been rejected by the scientific community at large.

The random processes of mutation that when coupled with natural selection drive evolution, do not produce non-viable species, of course. Perhaps you're thinking(?) of the fact they do produce non-viable individuals. These are commonly called stillbirths. Only viable creatures survive to have viable offspring. It doesn't take a miracle from Allah for most people to see that that is bloody obvious.

Yes, this is indeed the cancer fraud Dr. Babuna.

5/30/2009 5:53:44 AM

Canadia

Even if you somehow buy into this due to complete lack of knowledge about evolutionary biology, how do you get to the "exalted Creation by Allah" part? why Allah? why not any other number of events or beings? eh?

5/30/2009 6:00:23 AM

Lucilius

If Islam is to be considered a fact, we must have pictures of Allah - washing his car, taking a dump, doing everyday things. And evidence of souls, trillions of them.

Hey, just applying your nonsense to your own beliefs. Why are you suddenly so angry?

5/30/2009 6:06:30 AM

El Zorro

Ahh, the old "no transtitional" argument. As wrong today as it were yesterday.

5/30/2009 6:19:13 AM
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