[On Bill O'Reilly's rhetoric possibly leading to Tiller's death.]
I watched Billy the kid O'Reilly last night explaining himself and each time his hands came into view I didn't see any blood. I wonder the amount of blood spilled per abortion. Imagine after taking the hippocratic oath and vowing to do know harm and using your medical knowledge to become a millionaire by ending and disposing of human life. Then going to church lifting bloody hands in praise of the God who gave you life. Yes, God gives life and God takes life, but only He has that right as The Creator of life. The death penalty is a different category insofar as it is instituted through the passage of law by a legislative body as a punishment for certain CRIMES. What crimes did these unborn babies commit? The expectation of being born, living, with the possible HOPE of becoming president? The killer of Tiller was wrong. He is a murderer, but I don't blame O'Reilly at all. This group had been threatening to kill Tiller for some time. One of the group took it upon himself to carry it out. However, I find it difficult to dredge up sympathy for Dr. Tiller.
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The death penalty is a different category insofar as it is instituted through the passage of law by a legislative body as a punishment for certain CRIMES. What crimes did these unborn babies commit?
What crime did the cow commit that's now a steak dinner on your table? Cuz that was a hell of a lot more developed than an aborted fetus.
"by ending and disposing of human life. Then going to church lifting bloody hands in praise of the God who gave you life."
Like Bush, Cheney and their ilk?
Tiller was a church goer, one of you. Why didn't God get involved either way?
I guess it's totally cool for the woman to give birth to a stillborn, or a child who will die within minutes of birth, or a child who has so many things wrong with it, it's quality of life is absolutely miserable. And on top of that, the woman could die or receive irreversible injuries.
You know, considering those were the situations of the late term abortions.
But God has a master plan, and if it is His will for the woman to die giving birth, or the child to die shortly after being born, then so be it, right?
Even if you believe the Bible is God's word, the Bible never forbids abortion, grants fetuses the status of living people or equates abortion with murder. That come only from a twisted interpretation of vague passages by people who have already made their minds up first, then cherry-picked the Bible to confirm the opinions they already held. And simply adding "the killer of Tiller was wrong" to the rest of his invective doesn't change the fact that the remainder of Burntwood's post clearly shows he believes the killing was just fine. He's not going to fool us or God with his disingenuous pretense simply by adding "the killer of Tiller was wrong".
Wait, wait, crimes those unborn babby-fetii committed? How about ORIGINAL SIN, mother fucker? Everyone did it, therefore everyone is guilty, and according to the Bible, all sinners deserve to DIE AND FRY!
Unless you think that they're exempt from Original Sin because they weren't born yet, which means they'd go straight to Heaven. Hell, if that was the case, I wish I would've been aborted. That's God's work right there.
Mister Tiller the Miracle Man,
Well, every civilization I respect does believe killing for self defense is permissible. Yes, dipshit a fetus can in fact be a threat to a woman's life. The other late term abortions performed by Dr. Tiller where for conditions like tiploidy, trisomy 18 and other conditions that are incompatible with life.
Can these pro-life assholes give me one other situation where a human being can be forced to surrender his/her body for the use of another human being. Provide and example or STFU! Better yet, explain to me why it is ok to shoot a burglar who comes into your house, but it is not ok for a woman to remove an unwanted invader.
On a snarkier note, only the fundy wack-a-doodle churches raise their hands in praise, most of us prefer to keep our dignity in church.
Read up on late term abortions, please. And not in a chick tract, but in a normal scientific book about it. These embryos were probably dying or already dead, or so seriously malformed that they would die within days, if not hours, after the birth. Or they threatened the life of the mother, and without a living womb they would die too, the only thing to do, to save at least one, was to remove the other.
There is probably just as much blood spilled during a late term abortion as during a normal birth. A birth is not fluffy and rosy, you know. It's blood (and sometimes excrements and vomit) and screaming and pain, and it goes on for hour after hour after hour.
If only God is allowed to take a life, then the death penalty is WRONG. You can't make excuses for one kind of manslaughter and not for another. If God is the only one, then God is the only one. He will smite the ones he deems unfit for life. Taking it upon yourself is very conceited; you think you know better than God.
Yup, God gives life and God takes life but only he has that right. Unless it's someone I hate. Or someone I don't even know but is sentenced to death penalty.
Can you imagine the amount of pride (sin, not normal feeling) this people have? I mean, they believe in ultra-powerful being, whose power is unimaginable. And still think they know his perfect plan. And not only that, but think that they are the tools of being's perfect will, his ways to fulfill it. How "proud and high" can you get? To think that all powerful being needs you to carry out his will is disrespect of highest order. And you know what makes those guys hypocrites? Praying to that being afterwards. You either pray for everything, even things you can do, or pray for nothing and do the things with your own strength. There's no third option.
Billy the kid O'Reilly
Please don't make him out to be some maverick or anti-hero 'cause he's not. He's a blow hard, TV star who stirs the pot for sensationalism and ratings so he can make more money. Period. If you can reduce Dr. Tiller to some maniacal, money-grubbing butcher, then I can call out O'Reilley for what he is too.
using your medical knowledge to become a millionaire
They seem to focus a lot on the fact that Dr. Tiller was a wealthy man through his practice (true?). Could there be a whiff of jealously on their part? After all, McDonald's and the local 7-11s can't be paying all that well these days.
The death penalty is a different category...
Yeah, it's lumped in the "kill who we want to kill" pile.
What crimes did these unborn babies commit?
Original sin according to your book.
The killer of Tiller was wrong...I find it difficult to dredge up sympathy for Dr. Tiller.
Then you don't really consider his murder wrong, do you? Asshole.
I wonder the amount of blood spilled per abortion.
How about the amounts of blood spilled at surgeries? Oh noes! Crime!!!11one
I'll save the mundane observations about logical inconsistencies when it comes to "pro-life" attitude regarding self-defense, death penalty, and war. Hell, even downright murder, like in this case.
I hate to invoke Godwin here, but Hitler didn't actually kill the Jews himself either--he had his underlings do all the dirty work, and used his impressive speaking abilities to make it look like the right thing to do. Does that make Hitler innocent? No.
So what does that say about Bill O'Rly?
"Yes, God gives life and God takes life, but only He has that right as The Creator of life."
And a woman gives life to her fetus, and, as the creator of that life....why is she forbidden from taking its life by that logic? Or is just another way of saying that God doesn't have to follow his own rules, and thus can have incredibly poor morals by even human standards because he is just that awesome?
I find it kind of ridiculous that the only scenario these people can think of in which killing is justified is capital punishment. If only they realized how much life it costs to keep a single life going...
1. If God gives life then celibate couples seemingly do not have children.
2. Sex is essential for life. We know how it works. We can do it in test tubes. There is no God involved.
3. Your logic is flawed. That is like me saying, I made a sofa, only I am allowed to destroy it.
4. O'Reilley called for the deaths and made threats at Dr. Tiller demonising him in the media by objectively not telling the whole truth which is Dr. Tiller performed late term abortions on women who either would die during birth or who could not care for their offspring due to rape or incest or whose offspring would end up so mindbogglingly ill that it was better to terminate foetus rather than bear to term since the baby will be in unbelievable agony or indeed cannot be cared for by the parents.
Translation: I can't outright celebrate this man's death because it might hurt my image, but I'll do anything I can to insinuate that it was a good thing.
As for O'Reilly, he oughta know that hate speech can whip the crazies into a furor. I don't think he's legally culpable, but morally, I think he should feel some guilt, since he did contribute to the delusions that led to this murder.
your logic strikes me as claiming Hitler was innocent.
I mean, he didn't "personally" kill any jews, not that I heard about...
No, O'Reilly's not responsible fot Tillers death.
So... God is the only one who has the right to take life, except for the death penalty which was legally approved by the government? The same government which said it is legal to have abortions?
BTW, "blood on your hands" is metaphorical. I'm sure Dr. Tiller washed his hands after performing abortion procedures, and if O'Rielly had any on his hands before going on the air, he'd probably wash them too.
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