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There seems to be alot of confusion on this board regarding Christianity. I see people posting about "Christians" who believe in an old earth. "Christians" who believe in Evolution. "Christians" who believe the Bible has mistakes in it, etc.

This is what's called Counterfeit Christianity. There is no way you can call yourself a Christian and accept Darwin's theory of Evolution when the Bible is perfectly clear that there was no Evolution. No excuses whatsoever. Counterfeit Christians say Genesis shouldn't be taken literally, but they give no reason as to why we shouldn't take it literally!

So I want to make clear what the differences are between True Christians and Counterfeit Christians:

True Christians believe in the Bible. ALL of it.

True Christians are not sympathetic towards other belief systems. A true Christian cannot say that another religion "may lead to God." I do not like Muslims, but I do like the Jews. Although I do not respect Judaism (because it is false and does not lead to salvation), I do respect the Jews because of what the Bible teaches, and because of the importance of Israel in God's plan. The Jews have also been strongly oppressed, therefore true Christians are also proud supporters of Israel (like myself).

True Christians believe in a young earth, and creationism.

True Christians believe in the Trinity doctrine, while many counterfeit Christians reject it.

If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask!

(submitters note: The whole thread is pure gold)

Camille, FRDB 63 Comments [6/15/2009 8:39:42 PM]
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Tindalos

The Jews have also been strongly oppressed, therefore true Christians are also proud supporters of Israel (like myself).

Do you feel the same way about Native Americans?

6/16/2009 6:47:13 AM

Tindalos

Double Post

6/16/2009 6:50:35 AM

Dudely

I HIGHLY doubt you actually believe the entire bible. Stone any disobedient children recently? How about wearing cotton blends?

6/16/2009 7:15:57 AM

Headache

When you discuss the content of the bible with these morons, almost everyone but themselves are not Christians, but when it comes to bragging about how many Christians there are, they include everyone. Go figure!

6/16/2009 7:49:08 AM

JSS

"True Christians believe in the Bible. ALL of it."

Oh. So you stone your kids to death when they misbehave? You believe bats are birds? And you believe that slavery is okay? I assume you don't eat shellfish, wear polyester, or plant vegetable gardens do you? You don't want to end up in the lake of fire do you?

And who are you, a woman, to tell us about morality? St. Paul said women must be silent in the churches, they are not allowed to speak and must be submissive to their husbands. Sorry Camille, but under your standards you should find yourself in the lake of fire as soon as you die. Isn't God such a loving and merciful deity?

6/16/2009 7:58:19 AM

John

Counterfeit Christians say Genesis shouldn't be taken literally, but they give no reason as to why we shouldn't take it literally!

There is no "literally". All readings are interpretations, including Camille's.

In 408 AD, Augustine of Hippo gave reasons for not accepting a six day creation ("The Literal Interpretation of Genesis"), and those reasons have been accepted by most Christians for over a thousand years. Essentially, if reality and scripture appear to disagree, you've misinterpreted scripture. Only Baptists and other fringe fundamentalists arrogantly think they're the only ones who know how to read the Bible.

6/16/2009 8:30:12 AM

Zeus Almighty

Well, at least Buddhism tells you that if it can be demonstrated that a teaching is wrong then it is OK to ignore that teaching.
But then again, Asians are more rational than redneck Bubbas with the comprehension of 4-year-olds ...

6/16/2009 9:10:58 AM

Zeus Almighty

"If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask! "

Um, yeah, were you born that fucking stupid or did you have to work at it?

6/16/2009 9:12:59 AM

Porter

Actualy the first Christians were Catholic and they gained a monopoly on thought by making themselves the only ones who could interpret scriptures for the masses. When Luther began his movement, his idea to solve the issue of needing the Church was to hold to the Bible being the literal word of God. So actually you're just a little offshot of Catholicism just like they were an offshot of the Jews.

And see how far taking the Bible literally has gotten you. It's managed to send you back to the Bronze Age.

6/16/2009 9:23:25 AM

The L

True Christians believe in the Bible. ALL of it. Even the parts that plainly and directly contradict each other.

True Christians are not sympathetic towards other belief systems. A true Christian cannot say that another religion "may lead to God." If you don't follow OUR religion, you're going to be tortured forever. Because God is love.

True Christians believe in a young earth, and creationism. True Christians also believe that even though nature was described by God himself as being "very good," that we should waste and despoil all the earth's resources instead of being good stewards.


In short, I prefer the "counterfeit" Christians.

@John: Baptists aren't "fringe" Christians. They're the largest denomination in the U.S. (Catholics are second.) And most Baptists don't take things nearly this far.

6/16/2009 9:43:18 AM

Mudak

I wonder if Camille is married. If so, I'd like to know how her husband came to be her husband. If she truly lived biblically, he could've been her rapist....

Conversely, the Counterfeit Christians sound more my style to me, although, ideally, non-Christians are probably at least as enjoyable (if not moreso) to have around.

6/16/2009 9:51:02 AM



Ok, love thy neighbourgh was said by who exactly?. Ok, it was just a joke.

6/16/2009 9:59:54 AM

Telamon

Well, then I guess that makes me a Counterfeit Christian. If accepting reality prevents you from being a "True Christian," then I would rather stand condemned than wall off my mind like you have.

And, have you ever read the whole Bible? After reading almost 70 percent of it, I started to question my faith in inerrancy. It was only downhill from there...(yes, the Bible, not evolution, made me question my faith)

6/16/2009 10:00:35 AM

Allegory for Jesus

True Christians believe in things that have proven false!

6/16/2009 10:14:47 AM

Old Viking

Well that's finally cleared up.

6/16/2009 10:58:20 AM

Pule Thamex

I'm afraid you are another fool for Satan, Camille. The type of cretin your referring to is not a Christian but a fundamental cultist. The fundamental cultists only pretend to be Christian to lend themselves credibility. Knowing, as they do, that Christianity is closer to humanity than is the filthy evil spawn of the fundamentalist cults. You do the devil's work for him Camille, you gullible moron.

6/16/2009 11:09:28 AM

tracer

"The Jews have also been strongly oppressed, therefore true Christians are also proud supporters of Israel (like myself)."


Bull.
The only reason you support the "Christ-killing Jews" is because you need them to rebuild the Temple so that your precious Apocalypse can come true.

6/16/2009 11:37:03 AM

Giveitaday

And here I thought that accepting Jesus Christ as your personal savior and repenting of sin was the only criteria for being christian.

So what about the thousands of christian who lived and died before the bible was compiled were not real christian because the didn't believe in the infallability of a book that didn't yet exist?

Where is it written that your "god" forbids salvation for those christians who believe in evolutionary theory?

Where is it written that your "god" will deny salvation to those who do not fervently believe in young earth creationism?

If every word of the bible must be believed as both true and literal, then what bible is to be used? Should it be the original and/or oldest manuscripts? Or should it be the later translation which have verses that are not in the older manuscripts indicating that they were added to the bible after the original manuscript was written?

And lastly, When was it that your "god" imparted upon you the task of deciding who is or is not a christian, and what criteria must be met in order for someone to be a christian. Many of the things you say are required to be a "true christian" are not explicitly stated (or even to be found at all) in the bible.

Therefore the only two conclusions one can make is either that your "god" has tasked this redefinition of who is christian to you and told you to impart this knowledge upon the world, or You have taken it upon yourself to decide what someone should or should not believe to meet your definition of christian, and you have decided that you, and you alone, decide what makes one a christian. You have no biblical basis for your criteria because those are not things that are found or commanded in the bible, but instead just represent your own personal predjudices at people who do not wholeheartedly agree with all the things you say they should.

6/16/2009 12:09:09 PM

Brenz

Here's a measured response to your articulate, nuanced points:

Fuck you. You're an asshole.

6/16/2009 12:53:44 PM

Big Jilm

True Christians can lick my nut sack.

6/16/2009 1:11:18 PM

ND

Well then, you must believe that the earth is flat, rests on pillars, and that the sky is solid and has doors in it. You must also believe that you should kill your son if he is disobedient - but that you should only beat (and not kill) your slave is he is disobedient (and if your slave happens to be female, you are permitted to rape her). Speaking of rape, you must believe that is a man rapes your daughter then he can make it all better if he pays you a good price for her. Or are you one of those christians who cherry picks what to believe in>

6/16/2009 1:19:37 PM

Dr. Novakaine

Looking at the source topic, I see that Camille is a fierce advocate for keeping women out of political office, with the exceptions of such women as Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann. I didn't know it was even possible to fail your entire gender that badly.

6/16/2009 3:02:06 PM

Vince

"Counterfeit Christians say Genesis shouldn't be taken literally, but they give no reason as to why we shouldn't take it literally!"

here's a wonderful reason. IT"S FUCKING WRONG!

6/16/2009 7:27:12 PM

Zoo

Someone's a little confused as to what defines a Christian.

6/16/2009 7:53:34 PM

Darwin's Lil' Girl

There seems to be alot of confusion on this board regarding Christianity.
You mean a Christian isn't someone who believes in Christ? What?

I see people posting about "Christians" who believe in an old earth.
Yes, so?

"Christians" who believe in Evolution.
Yes, so?

"Christians" who believe the Bible has mistakes in it, etc.
Show me one book in the Bible that doesn't have mistakes in it. Trust me, they're right there for everybody to see.

This is what's called Counterfeit Christianity.
Faith is a material thing that can be forged?

There is no way you can call yourself a Christian and accept Darwin's theory of Evolution when the Bible is perfectly clear that there was no Evolution.
The Bible is also perfectly clear that Judas died via hanging. The Bible is also perfectly clear that Judas died via disembowlment. Clearly we can't trust what the Bible is "perfectly clear" about.

No excuses whatsoever.
Reality isn't an excuse?

Counterfeit Christians say Genesis shouldn't be taken literally, but they give no reason as to why we shouldn't take it literally!
Genesis 1:25-27 vs. Genesis 2:18-19; Genesis 1:27 vs. Genesis 2:18-22. And those are just two reasons why we shouldn't.

So I want to make clear what the differences are between True Christians and Counterfeit Christians:
Again, how is faith, which is immaterial, forged?

True Christians believe in the Bible.
Um, so do a lot of the other Christians. They're just realistic about it.

ALL of it.
On Jesus' ressurrection:
Matthew 28:2-5: An angel comes down on site.
Mark 16:5: A young man comes on site.
Luke 24:4: Two men come on site.
John 20:1-2: No one is there.

True Christians are not sympathetic towards other belief systems.
To tell the truth it does seem a little strange to me to be able to believe your God is right and everyone else is still okay. There's clearly no real problem here, as the vast majority of religious people don't care what religion the other person is. Maybe because I'm atheist I can't conceive of how to do it. To me the different beliefs mean very little because I don't see truth in any of them.

A true Christian cannot say that another religion "may lead to God."
I shouldn't comment on this. See above answer.

I do not like Muslims, but I do like the Jews.
Wait, why?

Although I do not respect Judaism (because it is false and does not lead to salvation), I do respect the Jews because of what the Bible teaches, and because of the importance of Israel in God's plan.
Um, Muslims are in Israel, too. And the Bible says accept everyone - faith shouldn't matter.

The Jews have also been strongly oppressed, therefore true Christians are also proud supporters of Israel (like myself).
And Muslims haven't been oppressed? Have you been living under a rock your whole life?

True Christians believe in a young earth, and creationism.
A "Christian" is someone who accepts Christ as their saviour. (The clue is in the root word of "Christian".) Everyone, regardless of the details, is a True Christian (TM) if they accept Christ as their saviour.

True Christians believe in the Trinity doctrine, while many counterfeit Christians reject it.
But the Trinity is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost...but the Father is the Son, and the Son is the Holy Ghost, because the Father is the Holy Ghost and the Son is the Father...so...uh...you believe in a "Trinity" with one person in it.

If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask!
May I ask you why you are so mind-numbingly stupid?

6/16/2009 8:04:33 PM
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