"Exactly, what MAKES fascism right-wing?"
Democrat propaganda.
Back when they were honest, they openly declared their love for Hitler. They called themselves "Progressives" then.
When Hitler's name became a dirty word, theirs did, too.
To rehabilitate their image, they took the name "liberal" since at the time that's what we called the Founders.
They never made even trivial changes to their political agenda and STILL hold exactly the same platform they had in their "we're proud to love Hitler" days.
Calling Hitler "right wing" was to better distance their image from him. It was only possible because he fought Stalin. Since Stalin was acknowledged as leftist, they "reasoned" Hitler must be right, ignoring the fact they fought over TURF, not the ideology they SHARED
Short version: Nazi = Democrat. There is literally NO difference.
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Um, Hitler was narrow minded, anti-gay, anti-any-other-religion, white supremacist a crappy artist and a downright douche bag
Sounds like a Republican to me, not a Democrat (then again, I'm Australian, we have labour and liberal, but similar ideals really)
However, WHY are you trying to compare German politics from decades ago to the American political system of today? It's just stupid!
Oh wait... Yahoo Answers... my bad
Try again, use some facts next time. The real world's there and it is the one you should know.
This "Nazi=Democrat. There is literally NO difference." shows you to be completely ignorant of the truth, history or meaning of the terms
Any political scientist would point out that the concepts of "liberal" and "conservative" are entirely dependent upon time and place. Andrew Jackson, with his steadfast promotion of free-market capitalism was a liberal in his time.
It's also noteworthy that liberal and conservative don't even fit cleanly into the democratic or republican parties. I sincerely question whether there'd be room for "Mr. Conservative" Barry Goldwater in today's republican party.
Hitler shared the following characteristics with the political right: a hatred of foreigners and people who weren't of Arian descent, a belief that there is an absolute morality and that it's the government's legitimate job to enforce it, a belief that the country's problems were the fault of scapegoats and a belief that the country's problems could be solved by beating the crap out of the people who were the "cause" of it.
GODWIN!!!!!!!
Check the political compass, Hitler was authorotain socialy and centered economicly. The authorotarian was as radical right as you can get. If you take, say, Ronald regan, he woud fall very close to the center socialy.
Yes, belief in total state controll is leftst. Right....
The difference between fascist and liberal [Dem] governments is that one relies upon belligerent tribal paranoia, and the other, simple laissez-faire cosmopolitanism.
It's not too bloody difficult to make the leap; just look beyond your tribal boundaries, and you'll notice other people simply getting along with their lives. Is that really such a threat to you?
Mudak pretty much said it for me. The best you can do is try to define a two group of people, one of whom want more power to a majority and another to a smaller group, and even that can get a bit sketchy, since you need to define what constitutes "small" and what constitutes "big".
Tl;dr= You don't get to point fingers and call anyone you don't like Nazis, you losers.
Hitler didn't like gays, gypsies, Jews, anyone who wasn't of northern European extraction, and wanted to eradicate anyone who didn't think as he did. Sounds like a Right Winger to me, and to the rest of the world outside your glass bubble.
Stalin and Hitler did not share an ideology.
Nazis are not the same as Democrats, by a long shot.
The force you're using to achieve peace has blinded you.
Fascism can be both left- and right-wing. But it certainly is either of those two, you can almost say they meet (if you see it as a circle and not a linear scale). Mainstream fascism is not possible, you have to be extremist to want to suppress other peoples thoughts and beliefs.
Hitler was a dirty word right after WWII.
According to wikipedia:
"Among the key elements of Nazism were anti-parliamentarism, Pan-Germanism, racism, collectivism, eugenics, antisemitism, anti-communism, totalitarianism and opposition to economic liberalism and political liberalism."
Doesn't sound that liberal to me...
"Back when they were honest, they openly declared their love for Hitler. They called themselves "Progressives" then."
I'm sorry are you talking about the SPD (social democratic party) or the Centre Party of pre-Nazi Germany? They were the ones called "progressives". And they were Hitler's main opposition next to the KPD (German Communist Party).
I assure you "National Socialism" was merely a name and did not reflect Hitler's policy in any way. So much so that he killed members of his party that suggested they use more socialistic ideas in the Night of the Long Knives such as Ernst Rohm.
Now shut up.
You have absolutely no idea what Hitler believed or stood for, do you?
I'll start you off here. Wanna know where the Pink Triangle came from? Once I tell you, you'll see a big, smoldering hole in your "LITERALLY NO DIFFERENCE!"
Short version: Conservative=Delusional There is literally NO difference.
On our next episode of Conservative history, the KKK ride in the night for civil rights.
Trying to put Hitler on the right/left scale just doesn't work. The reason? He was a nutcase.
He has a lot of hallmarks of being a fascist, and yet he led a socialistic regime. The guy was out of his mind and lefties saying hitler was right wing and righties saying hitler was left wing are BOTH stupid.
I especially loll'd at the "nazi=democrat" thing and there being no difference. Cuz we all know democrats are about killing the jews, right?
Funny, nobody advocates the killing of six million people for the mere fact of EXISTING, but, well, it's nice to have another point of view.
"Since Stalin was acknowledged as leftist, they "reasoned" Hitler must be right, ignoring the fact they fought over TURF, not the ideology they SHARED"
Except, even when they were on friendly terms with one another, Hitler expressed his disgust for the communism of Russia. Also: LOL "TURF".
Peace through blinding force = Dull as fuck dribbling moron. There is literally NO difference.
Yahoo Answers = Abode of demented half-wits and other assorted simpletons. There is literally NO difference.
Facist doctrinal statements;
"Our state is ordained by God to wage war upon the satanic races".
"God commanded me to invade Poland".
"God commanded me to invade Iraq".
You're absolutely right, except for the facts.
Hitler was anti-evolution, anti-abortion, and, of course, racist as hell.
Does that sound like many Democrats you know?
drawing one connection proves nothing. Hitler was actually kind of popular, your right about that, but it wasn't really anything the fuck to do with democrats then or now. the whole US government was taking similar positions against Stalin, Hitler was useful.
the whole WW2 thing messed up things a bit. suddenly they had to call the nazis evil and got chummy with the Soviets. that lasted about 5 years.
I'm surprised he has as many facts straight as he does. the demonification of the Nazis was more of a temporary PR stunt then any real concern about them. many people praised the Nazis for their economic success. the communists were the ones who we all thought were a threat. then WW2, suddenly Hitler was every ones enemy no matter what they thought of him. the Soviets were an ally of opportunity. after WW2 we went right back to anti communism.
now where this whole thing falls apart is where it has anything to do with the liberals.
also, he really looses points for talking about them like their the same 5 people that ran the party 70 years ago.
Exactly, what MAKES fascism right-wing?
Rethuglican Party policy under George W. Bush.
Rethuglican = Christo-fascist.
Hitler was progressive and liberal on things like worker's rights (unless they were jewish workers in Schindler's plants... then they were slaves).
But he was not so liberal on the humans rights.
Hitler had a lot of good politics... but it was kinda drowned out by the evil.
No, we Democrats are godless, Christian-hating, abortion-loving, pot-smoking, freedom-hating, America-bashing homosexual communists.
Get it right.
1) Rejection of class conflict.
2) Alliance with established elites in the clergy, big business and the military.
3) Support for traditional values and conservative social mores.
4) Hobbesian, aggressive view of international relations.
Want more?
Nationalism, crony capitalism, social and religious conservatism, union-busting, militarism? Sounds right wing to me.
Ideology one:
Races are the basis of human history, they compete with each other, and races prevail by brute force, conquering land and mantaining racial purity.
Ideology two:
The development of productive forces and the economic systems in which they are organized drive human history.Each system has certain class relations - which are really property relations -, and classes have conflicting interests. When a system starts becoming a burden for further development, it gets replaced by a new system.
Capitalism is only the latest of several economic systems, and will eventually become obsolete. Socialism, by abolishing private property, eliminates class distinctions and therefore class warfare.
What exactly do these ideologies share?
Henry Ford and Charles Lindburgh were both BIG Hitler fans. Are you going to tell us that they were progressive left-wingers?
Oh please say yes. I would so enjoy the opportunity to humiliate you for doing so!
By the way;
You progress on your conservative platforms to become more conservative. progressive things (change) can't benefit or even exist by keeping the standard, always, mostly things (not change and never good).
It's a long list that has slavery/genocide at the top.
In other words if you're becoming evil more then you're progressively evil, which might be the best slogan for Republicans right now. No, can you imagine? votes would plumet but I'm worried the Southerners would still give them 25%.
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