When Obama introduced his plans for universal heath care, does anybody think the Mark would also be introduced, with instruction 'No mark; no heath insurance'?
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Yes. Yes, I certainly think that will happen. Exactly like that. Totally.
ZOMG that's not even vaguely in line with the crazy book that YOU SUPPOSEDLY BELIEVE.
My favorite post from later in the topic:
"It is called "Universal" Health Care. Could be one step closer to something that is International?"
Oh sure, because Obama has the power to institute health care on all other countries in the world. Mmm-hmmm, makes perfect sense.
Right, you little fucker, what is it you have against universal healthcare?
It's empathetic, it's helping out people that need it rather than everyone grabbing for themselves.
That sounds like a pretty awesome thing that Jesus would support.
Oh wait, I forgot, your version of Jesus is more likely to cut your head off than actually, you know, help anyone.
I guess that there's no proffit in universal health care. That's why fundies hate it. I have read somewhere, forgive me for not providing citations, it was one of national newspapers quoting "NY Times", that all you need to happen to screw your life in US of A is prolonged disease. Medical bills +absence from work= loss of job => bankrupcy
That's not the system I would like to live in.
Nah, here in Oz we have it. Applying for a medicare card is like doing your tax, you get a number from one of those little ticket machines, you don't get 666 unless you really luck out in which case you can...
A) Normal person: Giggle about it for an exceedingly brief period and save it as a souvenir - if you have way too much free time.
B) Fundie: Run screaming from the room.
Either way you won't get to see the doctor any faster at a bulk billing (free) clinic.
You'll still be sitting in between the single mom with 7.5 squealing kids and the junkie who won't stop scratching himself for about an hour or three while you leaf through several back issues of National Geographic.
Hello Trance. I see you have a new end time hypothesis today.
Ummm, I agree with the posts above and not your hypothesis.
Universal healthcare is so wonderful.
I had some seriously bad food poisoning once (so bad they thought initially that I had appendicitis) and so I was taken to the hospital, treated overnight, given an ultrasound to assess damage and sent me home with an approximate bill of nearly $0 for the privilege.
Also here we combine it with a tax rebate for those who ease the strain on the system by taking up private healthcare (which will also cover you for non-essential medical procedures like taking out wisdom teeth or braces).
It's the best. And all America would have to do to fund it is cut their military spending!
Actually the USA could accomplish alot by cutting military spending.
Well, I recently had a couple of Heart attacks needed an ambulance and spent twelve days in hospital including several in emergancy. Plus I now have present and future outpatient care - i.e., access to a Heart specialist as needed.
Cost = Medicare levy paid over the past 20 or more years, i.e., no bills, no immediate $1,000's in costs. I paid for it all during my healthy years, and am now getting a return on my enforced investment.
It's called Universal Health Care, and I am alive because of it. If RRites don't want it they can die because they hav not got the money to stay healthy - come to think of it, that's what they want anyway - they want to be dead, so they should oppose Universal Health Care.
Norm
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Obama could announce a free Bible giveaway tomorrow, and they'd still be saying it's a lead in to the mark, wouldn't they? "No mark, no Bible!"
There's one mark that all must show. In fact, it is my commandment of the day. All worshipers of me, Sgt. Love, must bear the holy sign of the love bite.
Show your love to Sgt. Love.
I have the Mark. Living in France we call it the Carte Vitale. The chip on this card, which all in France have, contains my medical records. So I can go to a doctor anywhere in France who has instant access to my health history and can therefore better diagnose and prescribe. It on a plastic card, so I suppose it's a poor kind of Mark... I mean it's not tattooed on the skin or a chip inserted under it. My! The Antichrist really is slipping up.
Yes, you're correct, that's exactly what would happen. Be afraid! BE VERY AFRAID!!!
BOOGABOOGABOOGABOOOOO!!!!!
I hear the sound of fapping in the wind.
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I am actually suprised they are not all hiding in bunkers right now, with their crazy paranioa.
You are exactly right Trance, it is the Mark, applied by a branding iron. Yours will read I R IDIOT - right across your forehead.
As to Universal Healthcare - I'm not a fundy and I'm not a conservatice, but...there are issues with it, it is not the Panacea some folks are amking it out to be.
SwedishPagan - you mentioned Cuba, is that from the Michael Moore film? Cuba, who has nothing; who the folks here in FLorida fly down to Cuba to take medicines to their relatives still in Cuba, that Cuba?
One of the big questions, how to pay for it? Cut military spending, not really an option. If anything needs to be cut, I would say any and all aid to illegal aliens..bu that is material for a whole other thread.
If I were the Anti-Christ, that's how I'd play it. And by "Mark" I would be specifically referring to the Deutchmark, a unit of currency that seriously needs to be revived. I have all these Deutchmarks and they are doing me absolutely no good with that Euro hogging the limelight.
"When Obama introduced his plans for universal heath care, does anybody think the Mark would also be introduced, with instruction 'No mark; no heath insurance'?"
Tinfoil hats for Jesus, much? What the FUCK are you talking about?! Why are you right-wingers in America THAT opposed to the concept of Universal Healthcare? The notion sound too Communist for you? (FACT: Cuba spends as much on healthcare & medical research as it does on defence. Result: Cubans are amongst the physiologically & medically healthiest people in the world).
We in the UK have had the National Health Service since after WWII. We haven't ceased to exist as a result. And most women can have an abortion via the NHS - FREE.
One more thing: whilst our NHS was built & funded by the post-war Labour government (& continued by all subsequent govts), it was devised, developed & planned (along with our comprehensive welfare system) by William Beveridge. A Conservative.
Socialised medicine. Why not try it sometime, America? It won't kill you. Pun may or may not be intended. If symptoms persist, consult your doctor. Not to be taken anally. May contain nuts. Your house/car/boat/horse/wife/dog/testicles may be at risk if you do not keep up repayments. All calls may be recorded for security/training/having a cheap laugh at your expense purposes.
Well, I do agree with Tindalos that it's not perfect.
I live in W. state. Our neighbors are Canadians, who live and work here and then go home in the summers. (At least one of them works for a school district.) The wife was on a list for some kind of heart surgery, and then when she finally got it, it was delayed because the doctors performing the surgery had to leave to go the ER for some kind of car accident!
So I certainly support Universal Health Care (hell, I could use it as I'm currently unemployed) as long as there are enough doctors to staff ERs without having to call doctors out of other departments! : )
And I believe what Obama is endorsing is actually a health-care option , which I sure as hell support! If my parents hadn't had good insurance when I was born, because of all my health problems, I don't know what ny chances would be for me to still be here.
You mean like how in your theocracy dreamworld, no one would recieve healthcare unless they had a mark showing they are christian?
And what's this new "heath" care anyway?
I believe Germany had the Mark, or Deutchmark, to help pay for their universal health care. Which, like most European countries, seemed to work better than the US model most of the time. Germany, of course, is on the Euro now, so having the Mark for health care is a moot point.
@#972038 Burning Stake
You say that like it doesn't already happen here with private insurance when it most certainly does. I've sat in waiting rooms for hours on end when I've had an appointment because an emergency has come in and the doctor was needed more there. I've had appointments with my OB rescheduled because another woman went into labor. That's how the medical industry works, regardless of how it's being paid for. Stabilize emergencies first, then get to everybody else.
When Obama introduced his plans for universal heath care
He hasn't introduced a plan for universal health care, in fact he's damn near completely excluded every form of universal health from the discussion, save a mandate that require people to purchase health insurence from a private provider, which is not truly universal healthcare.
There are people like myself, who have severe injuries that require a lifetime of medical care. Most insurance companies consider those people to be uninsurable because they couldn't possibly recoup the amount of medical bills and still have the insuree be able to afford to pay the fee. Those are the kind of people who need a universal healthcare system because they are virtually shut out of private health insurance.
does anybody think the Mark would also be introduced, with instruction 'No mark; no heath insurance'?
Oh, grow the fuck up. How is it that you can function in the real world? How can anyone so paranoid interact other people? Do you vet all of your friends first to make sure they are not agents of satan?
For fuck's sake, if you are going to bitch about something the president is doing then at least bother to find out what he is doing instead of making shit up just so you can whine about how evil Obama is persecuting you.
Idiot, the only mark there is the deutschmark as in money (I know, it's not around anymore, just bear with me for the sake of metaphor). Right now, health is the privilege of those with money. How is that not fascist?
Fucker. You don't even realize that it just might be your church that is the false church.
People said the same thing about UPC codes. Get a life.
That mark you've mentioned; in that instance, it wouldn't prevent buying/selling, just access to health insurance. The Bible says it'll prevent all commerce. Your willingness to throw out your own scriptures for you manias says a lot.
And yet it hasn't. But it's cool, because in the made-up corners of your made-up world, making up things that never happened only confirms what you're awaiting to see explode into reality every day.
Jebus, 50 million Americans have no health coverage, that's one in six people. And you're against that, but totally down with turning Iraq into a burning wasteland...why?
Canada has free health care. All you need is your health card, or to have memorised your health card number. So far, none of the chaos you guys think will ensue has ensued.
@Burning Stake: Hospitals are understaffed, but not as a result of health care per se - doctors are actually being paid more since health care because they don't have to turn down patients who can't afford it. It's really just the amount of time they have to spend in hospital and the fact that most immigrants with medical degrees can't get a degree in Canada because they have to go through the whole thing again. Health care isn't the problem, just circumstance.
Heath insurance?
For heathens?
> No mark; no heath insurance
US Department of Health: "Naturally, you need to be a citizen of the United States to qualify for the healthcare."
Fundies: "A MARK OF THE BEAST!!!! SEE?? SEE??????"
Lord X: Wait, isn't the mark of the beast supposed to mean that you willingly and knowingly sided with Satan?
Yes. But you won't be told this, and you'll unknowingly, unwillingly, knowingly, willingly side with Satan to receive the mark. And it will be engraved on your body, if by body you mean a card.
Wel...umm, there is universal public health care in Australia....and we use these amazing things called 'cards' that store 'information' instead of these mystically things called "marks".
Actually, that is for private health care, as far as I know you don't need anything except some ID when it comes to public health care...and maybe some money to pay for stuff afterwards. (Ambulances apparently cost money....though they just send you a bill)
heh and Darwin Lil' Girl
Oh, of course people are sometimes forced to wait here in the US and the doctors didn't want to leave a patient on the table to attend someone else (my neighbor's story). People on the Right talk about "the nightmares of socialized medicine" and never actually have any to tell ; I'm assuming the story I mentioned would be what they mean. An accidental delay instead of just, you know, never getting it because you can't get insurance so you just never get it and die.
In fact, I partly mentioned it because I was hoping to have a discussion since I don't know that much about how it works IRL other than that it's supposed to cause "nightmare waits," which happens when more than only a certain percentage of the population can get real health care!
And again, I'm actually for Universal Health Care, I just want to make sure people know that I don't think it will magically solve everything wrong with the US or anything like that. But I'm sure it wouldn't hurt. : )
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