Quote# 63310

(SuperGuz believes living organisms can consciously control their genetics, or in some form of Lamarckianism, submitter can't quite tell which)

[If your "theory" were correct, there shouldn't be any. Why are the Australians of European descent incapable of manipulating their own phenotypes so their skins are appropriately dark [enough to prevent skin cancer]? You yourself claim that "the course of a few generations" should be enough to do it. Why isn't it happening?]

you must first show me that this isn't true. Got any studies on families that show scientifically that even though they are exposed to pounding effects of the sun that they have not increased their pigmentation over multiple generations? Your baseless assertion doesn't cut it. What city in australia are you referring to? There are different environments in Australia. Sydney, for example rarely gets above the 80s and often has cloud-cover.

Guzman (aka Supersport), Rants n' Raves 50 Comments [6/17/2009 6:40:52 PM]
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Sydney, for example rarely gets above the 80s and often has cloud-cover.

If only that was true! This summer, it was so hot here - which is just south of Sydney, and IN Sydney, where I spend time - it was so hot, my hair ran. My hair was purple at that point, and it fucking RAN. You wanker.

6/16/2009 6:05:50 PM


It's amusing to me that no matter what name Supersport goes by, he always reveals his true identity by his blathering idiocy. He'd make a terrible batman.

6/17/2009 6:55:22 PM

The Jamo

Real life =/= BIOSHOCK

6/17/2009 7:05:58 PM


How about we flip the demand for proof back to you, Snort? If you can show this is happening, we'll believe you.

6/17/2009 7:09:55 PM


Your baseless assertion doesn't cut it.

Now if only you could hear yourself beyond your constant mental chants of "I'm the most brilliant person ever to exist," you might make a step toward making those chants true.

A very small step.

Very small.

Or, on second thought, don't. If you stay this dumb, we'll have a guaranteed source of stress relief for a good while.

6/17/2009 7:15:35 PM


ASCS - Australian Correction to Stereotype Services

On behalf of my imaginary committee I'd like to make a few points.

1. I'm Australian.
2. We're metric.
3. Evolution doesn't work that way.
4. You know nothing about Australia because like a typical international idiot you base anything on Australia by what happens in Sydney.
5. Sydney gets HOT.
6. You could've gone with Hobart and possibly Melbourne in some years - if you knew what they were.
7. We have houses, Australian aborigines had crappy stick huts, even if we evolved darker skin to combat melanoma, not only wouldn't it take ~300 years, it would be longer than it took for aborigines.
8. Adelaide is clearly the best city in Australia - Yes, there are other cities in Australia other than Sydney.

Also, I'd like to say that the only reason Americans etc. have this desert magical dead landscape view of Australia is because of our gay movie directors being too scared that anything based in a city wouldn't be appealing to Americans because Americans only like desert Australia.

I'd like to make a note of the most annoying things seen in general entertainment that involve Australia:

1. In the Heroes graphic novel where they had a clone in Canberra, the depiction was of a crappy hotel in the middle of the desert. WTF CANBERRA IS IN THE FRICKEN MOUNTAINS!!
2. Australia, that movie was gay!
3. Crocodile Dundee being edited for Americans so they can understand it.
4. Every fricken movie based in a dry landscape in Australia.
5. Every fricken American mentioning Sydney as opposed to other cities.

I could think of more, but I could be considered a nationalist fundie if I continue.

6/17/2009 7:18:24 PM


Mitch: Don't worry. Some of us (I'm Canadian, but sometimes that's close enough) know that there are at least two cities in Australia. After all, Melbourne had the Olympics 44 years before Sydney did. ;)

6/17/2009 7:21:47 PM


@Mitch: Here, here!

Although I would question your assertion that Adelaide is the best city in Australia. I have it on good authority (John Safran) that Adelaide is a hole. I've also heard from Sam Simmons (an Adelaidian) that Adelaide is proof that Tasmanians can swim. :)

Now, having lived near Chatswood for several years, I can say that "Sydney" often got over 27°C in the summer. As for cloud cover - not more than usual. I certainly wouldn't say it "often" had cloud cover.

As for skin pigmentation, I have at least one ancestor from the First Fleet and I'm as white as any Brit or European. I went to Germany many years ago and on several occasions when I wasn't with my asian co-workers (it was a business trip) the locals spoke to me in German.

In summary, Supersport is an idiot. But we all figured that out long ago...

6/17/2009 7:39:56 PM

@ Mitch:

Actually everyone knows that Perth is the best city in Australia! ;-)

Oh, and Stupidsport - with Perth, you don't lather rinse and repeat. It is a city. Bonus points if you can point to it on a map. No, can't find it? What a surprise...

6/17/2009 7:49:43 PM


Granted this is a very stupid comment but this really isn't a fundie quote, I don't see any mention of a God here.

6/17/2009 8:15:41 PM


Do -you- have any studies that -do-? And even if we had one or the other, what would that prove? There are a number of mitigating factors for the evolution of different skin tones, including widespread use of sunscreen, spending time indoors, special clothing, and LACK OF TIME.

6/17/2009 8:16:06 PM


I'm no expert on the subject, but even *I* know that genetics (and evolution) DO NOT WORK THAT WAY.

6/17/2009 8:32:22 PM

Dio Fa

Guzman (aka Supersport) is so well known to FSTDT that the mention of a god is no longer necessary. Type "Supersport" into the search function to see for yourself.

6/17/2009 9:00:44 PM


I believe Supersport is talking about some kind of alternate reality were Sydney gets pleasant weather all year round.

6/17/2009 9:08:49 PM

Old Viking

I manipulated my phenotypes once. They became chapped and quite painful for over a week.

6/17/2009 9:28:17 PM


Bloody raining at the moment but he's right - we all wear fur coats at Bondi in the summer.

6/17/2009 9:41:18 PM


I'm from Adelaide. It's a jumped up country town with all the upsides and downsides that entails. Pretty much the only city where you'll get a river, 5 reserves and a city zoo all within spitting distance of the CBD and no-one will find that the least bit odd.

We have good beer and wine though. That's about it.

6/17/2009 10:21:43 PM

I'm an Australian (from Melbourne, the cultural and sporting capital) who has pale skin and light blue eyes, and cannot stay in the sun for more than 30 mins. Believe me, if I could darken my skin to prevent sun burn and reduce the risk of skin cancer, I would.

BTW, it got to 116F here last summer, so STFU about the temperature here.

6/17/2009 11:04:55 PM



Heh, no offence but Adelaide is NOT the best city in Australia... Not by a long shot.

Id LIKE to say Perth is (my city) but that would be a total lie...

however, we are getting some pretty sweet music coming out of the West.

now, onto Guzman's retardation.

I don't know what "80" refers to, but if it's Celsius, then yes, you're right - if it did we would all turn into roast humans.

It would be much easier for the dingos to take our pre-cooked babies I suppose >.>

Now, granted, some areas are cooler than others. For example, Broome compared to Hobart - bit of a difference. This is because Broome is closer to the equator than Hobart is, and Hobart is closer to the South Pole. The big stretch of land in the middle that you Americans love SO much tends to be warmer than the coastal areas too.

However, in general, Australia does not differ ALL that much. And Sydney is certainly not cold. (maybe sometimes in winter, but Melbourne is colder)

Oh, and for your future reference, other Australian cities and general areas that are not Sydney:

Coral Bay
Christmas Island
Port Headland
Tom Price
Monkey Mia
The Kimberley
Gold Coast
Donnelly River
Rottnest Island

I could go on, but i'm bored

6/17/2009 11:06:28 PM


Because the Australians don't have the required genes, and can't change their genes at will.

6/17/2009 11:10:26 PM


I'm in Melbourne also, an ex Taswegian. I'm descended from Anglo stock from the early 1800's on my mother's side. Judging by my inability to tan, if our pigmentation has increased in anyway, well they must have albinos back then.

6/17/2009 11:13:49 PM

Tolpuddle Martyr

I live in Melbourne, it's colder than Sydney. Actually it has a reputation for being cold.

In the summer the Mercury climbed right up to 45.1 degrees centigrade on the hottest day in January, that's 113.18 fahrenheit to you yanks.

White people are still white in Melbourne town, they hide under hats and layers of sunscreen but they haven't turned black yet!

In some of the hotter parts of Australia like the Northern Territory and Queensland the white people are still white, some of them still don't let blackfella's into their pubs - In Darwin anyway.

European Australians that hail from these parts don't go black (otherwise racist nobs in the NT wouldn't have a way to enforce their door policy), they have been witnessed going red however; n.b. this is not usually considered a good thing for white skin.

Guess that's why they call 'em "rednecks." If turning redneck is evolving I'll eat my hat!

6/17/2009 11:56:51 PM


Sometimes one has to stop and laugh.

6/17/2009 11:58:12 PM


lulz go go soupy keep up that jousting at windmills!

6/18/2009 2:20:31 AM

Um. The fact they're still white? And have 45% incidence of skin cancer?

6/18/2009 2:33:32 AM

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