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1) They create families where no one in the family is related to each other and don't know their ancestors

2) Children of homosexual marriages have no clue what a husband and wife are and what each represents because it's arbitrary between each homosexual couple

3) Children of a homosexual marriage have only one gender role model so they have no clue how a man and a woman are to treat each other in an intimate relationship

4) Children of a homosexual marriage are programmed to believe that sex between people of the same sex is what they're supposed to do as adults since children look up to their parents.

5) Children of a homosexual marriage who have any inclinations toward homosexuality are thus given a license to experiment as adults when they wouldn't do so if society didn't embrace homosexuality. So homosexuality will keep increasing with each generation

6) Children of a homosexual marriage have zero ideas about what boundaries are between people since sex is the main reason that their parents want to be together in the first place. If the homosexual parents simply wanted to live together as room-mates, then there's no need for them to "marry" each other in the first place.

7)Children of homosexual marriages will thus grow up, not knowing how to relate to people of their own gender since they think it's okay to be sexually intimate with anyone.

8) Children of a homosexual marriage have no clue what a mother and father are or what each represents since the "mother" and "father are arbitrary between each couple. So who they call their mother and who they call their father becomes so confusing to them that it alienates them in society and causes irrevocable confusion about what parents are supposed to do and be.

For starters. Thus, homosexual marriage cause irreversible damage and confusion to the children in those families which creates even more confused people for the next generation. And all that damage just so two people can act on their lust. There can hardly be few things more selfish.

peace4ever, Christian Forums 92 Comments [6/17/2009 6:44:09 PM]
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Orestes

Sure is a good thing that families stay together through thick and thin, and you never see a single parent raising a child from infancy to adulthood, since that would invalidate every claim you make.

6/17/2009 6:49:00 PM

Sisyphus

Um, parenting does not occur in a vacuum. Children acquire many role models during their childhood. My mother was a single mother, my parental role models included family friends, my grandparents, and aunts and uncles (also, I'm sad to say, television).

Somehow I managed to turn out all right [except for the whole "atheist" thing but I'm sure I'll outgrow that ;) ]

6/17/2009 6:53:36 PM

The Jamo

1. Families don't have to be related. They just have to love eachother. As for ancestors... who gives a shit? I Don't know my ancestors either past my grandmother.

2. Gender roles are a lumbering dinosaur. Get on with the program.

3. All people, men and women, are to treat each other with love and respect. It doesnt matter who is involved in the relationship, you idiot.

4. No, the sex drive and sexual orientation are hardwired in the brain. No amount of brainwashing changes it.

5. No it won't. The only reason why it looks that way is because more and more homosexuals feel that they can 'come out' without fear of persecution and violence towards them.

6. Even if that were true, how would it be any different to heterosexual couples? I mean, I suppose you'd argue that heterosexual couples marry for love, but homosexual couples will claim the same thing. Just because you're not attracted to your own sex does not disqualify them. Deal with it.

7. If they feel comfortable with sexually relating to anyone, if they're an adult and sexually relate to other adults who consent to it then there is no problem. Again, deal with it... it's your problem after all.

8. I already covered this. Go get a life.

QED, bitch.

6/17/2009 7:02:14 PM

Doomie 22

Two of my friends were adopted and raised by a lesbian couple. They are both strait and nothing like any of the lies you just regurgitated onto my screen. On behalf of them and their parents, fuck you.

6/17/2009 7:10:21 PM

dpareja

As I say to all these assholes, every GLBT (or do the latter two not exist, fuckwit?) person I know is a better person than you.

FOAD.

6/17/2009 7:19:04 PM

destined4azkaban

You are stereotyping ALL gay parents of children.

1. THIS is not fair.

2. This is NOT accurate.

I am a single mother (heterosexual) and raise my two daughters, 16 & 11, on my own. There is NO male influence in their life. Does this mean, with the lack of male role-model, they are both going to become lesbians? UM.. no.

If someone raises foster children, or adopts, this makes them non blood related. This also means, they probably don't know who their ancestors are. So we should NOT adopt these children who need a home because we are not blood related to them? We should just let them live in orphanages, or on the streets? Wow. How cruel. Heterosexual or homosexual couples can give these children better lives. Period.

Children of homosexual marriages are going to see two people who are in love, happy and working together to make their family work. If a young woman has a child, and say, lives with her mother and the grandmother helps out, isn't this putting the same kind of influence on the child? 2 people of the same sex raising a child? Yep.

I am pretty sure there are going to be a few relatives of the opposite sex that can help with male/female role-models for these children. Give me a break. And, if not, I am sure they will see a few heterosexual couples during their upbringing.

Children of homosexuals parents are Programmed??? Interesting choice of words. How about this. These kids will be more accepting of things that people like you are so dead against. They will know they have a CHOICE as to who they want to be with, when they are older, to spend a lifetime of companionship with. To be happy.

We/they/everyone should be able to be with, who we want to be with. Whether it be the same sex or opposite. What gives you, or anyone for that matter, the right to even question what people do, and who they want to be with. Everyone deserves happiness and a life partner. Let people be happy and be who they ARE. No wonder so many people are miserable, trying to hide their sexuality because of people like you, telling them it's so wrong. If you don't like it, keep it to yourself. You are not in any position to judge what others do. No one is.







6/17/2009 7:19:35 PM

jsonitsac

1)They create families where no one in the family is related to each other and don't know their ancestors

When the kid gets old enough and if he or she is sufficiently interested there are plenty of archives out there to help with genealogical research.

2) Children of homosexual marriages have no clue what a husband and wife are and what each represents because it's arbitrary between each homosexual couple

Only if they lived in an isolated hovel with gay parents, and never saw any media portrayals of heterosexual couples.

3) Children of a homosexual marriage have only one gender role model so they have no clue how a man and a woman are to treat each other in an intimate relationship

Sadly a lot of heterosexuals don't have a clue how to treat their significant others.

4) Children of a homosexual marriage are programmed to believe that sex between people of the same sex is what they're supposed to do as adults since children look up to their parents.

So then why can two heterosexual parents raise a gay kid? Plus if the kid is straight then that kid will act on those urges.

5) Children of a homosexual marriage who have any inclinations toward homosexuality are thus given a license to experiment as adults when they wouldn't do so if society didn't embrace homosexuality. So homosexuality will keep increasing with each generation

So what's stopping somebody from experimenting as an adult in secret?

6) Children of a homosexual marriage have zero ideas about what boundaries are between people since sex is the main reason that their parents want to be together in the first place. If the homosexual parents simply wanted to live together as room-mates, then there's no need for them to "marry" each other in the first place.

So we're at the heart of your problem with homosexuality. You believe that being gay is all about sex and nothing else. It won't mater what anybody else says or proves, you can not wrap your mind around the fact that two men or two women could love each other.

7)Children of homosexual marriages will thus grow up, not knowing how to relate to people of their own gender since they think it's okay to be sexually intimate with anyone.

Only if their parents don't do their job.

8) Children of a homosexual marriage have no clue what a mother and father are or what each represents since the "mother" and "father are arbitrary between each couple. So who they call their mother and who they call their father becomes so confusing to them that it alienates them in society and causes irrevocable confusion about what parents are supposed to do and be.

Again, there are other sources of explaining how to be a parent, although, if a gay couple does their job right, an adopted gay child can learn how to raise kids well enough.


6/17/2009 7:23:12 PM

wackadoodle

"3) Children of a homosexual marriage have only one gender role model so they have no clue how a man and a woman are to treat each other in an intimate relationship "

Yeah, how will kids ever see a man and woman dating besides their parents? Oh, and about 75% of stories written since the dawn of time.

6/17/2009 7:23:24 PM

Tiger

1) So do heterosexual couples who adopt. And we're all related.

2) So?

3) So do children of single parents, but they seem to turn out ok.

4) You're right! Gay parents will raise only gay children, since straight parents always raise straight children.

5) This is a problem why?

6) Why is it so hard for fundies to believe that homosexuals can love each other?

7) Lack of puritanical beliefs about sex = having no clue how to relate to other children?

8) lol

6/17/2009 7:52:26 PM

Saika

@ destined4azkaban

You’ve just been added to my list of heroes.

6/17/2009 7:55:39 PM

Thinking Allowed


6/17/2009 7:59:12 PM

CrazyRoper

A complete failure at child psychology.

6/17/2009 7:59:42 PM

Zoo

1) How do you know they don't know their ancestors? How does being a 'heterosexual family' guarantee that one knows one's ancestors?

2) It's arbitrary between a man and woman too. It all depends on how a particular couple agrees to live. There's not a correct role set that applies to every couple in existence.

3) What difference does that make? A relationship is about two people giving and taking with each other, not their gender (which is not synonymous with one's sex, btw).

4) Citation?

5) No it won't. We may personally know more homosexuals, but that doesn't mean there are more of them, just that they're allowed to be themselves instead of pretending to be something else. That's a bad thing how?

6) No, it's not. If you get married for sex, you're doing it for the wrong reason. And a married couple has to maintain their non-sexual relationship too, no matter their orientation. Kids will see boundaries just fine.

7) Citation? I have trouble relating to the average girl because I'm not one. I'm going to be a tomboy for life. And my parents are. . . a man and a woman! Please. You learn about relating to others through more experiences than just living with your parents. It has nothing to do with who you "should" have sex with.

8) Or maybe they just call their parents something else and watch what their friends' parents do? Also, citation?

For started. Citation? It's neither damage nor solely for 'lust'. I can think of a whole hell of a lot of things more selfish, thank you.

6/17/2009 8:08:27 PM



Those of your points which are not mere iterations of the same gender confusion assumption seem equally applicable to heterosexuals.

And you presume this child has absolutely zero access to TV, internet, or friends with heterosexual parents.

Honestly, sir, at the end of the day, you're arguing against a child in need of a home being taken in by two people who want to support it. I'd be much more disposed to consider a gay couple eager to adopt than you as suitable parents.

6/17/2009 8:12:18 PM

Nowonmai

1: You are advocating abolishing adopting by hetero couples with this.

2: You (il)logic is flawed. Gay/lesbian children have mother and father, and if it was a learned behavior as you say, there shouldn't be any homosexuals.

3: Children of single parent households have no problem. Flawed logic on your part again.

4: Since the children won't be in the adults bedroom, sexual behavior isn't an issue. Flawed logic on your part again.

5: #4 applies again

6: Children are taught manners and proper behavior, just like children in any family. Society also lends a hand in that. Again, with the flawed logic on your part.

7: #4 again

8: #3

The rest of your 'irreparable harm' rant is pure bullshit.

6/17/2009 8:12:40 PM

lupinella

As a bisexual, liberal, atheist who has been with the same woman for fifteen years, I think this person might be onto something. After all, I turned out EXACTLY like my fundie, conservative, many-times-married mother.

/sarcasm

6/17/2009 8:15:40 PM

schism

6) Children of a homosexual marriage have zero ideas about what boundaries are between people since sex is the main reason that their parents want to be together in the first place.

That right there is the core of conservatives' batshittery regarding sex and gender. If you honestly believe that men and women can't be within arm's reach of each other without attempting to fuck, you're the one without any concept of boundaries.

6/17/2009 8:43:51 PM

WMDKitty

<<1) They create families where no one in the family is related to each other and don't know their ancestors>>

So do heterosexuals who adopt, but you wouldn't stop *them*, would you....

<<2) Children of homosexual marriages have no clue what a husband and wife are and what each represents because it's arbitrary between each homosexual couple>>

Neither "represents" anything, really, so this is not a problem. There are families where Mommy works and Daddy stays home, you know.

<<3) Children of a homosexual marriage have only one gender role model so they have no clue how a man and a woman are to treat each other in an intimate relationship>>

Funny, most of the gays and lesbians I know with kids go out of their way to provide wholesome role models of *every* gender to their kids. Because of this, those children have a more enriched life, and learn that diversity is a good thing. Straight parents could take a lesson from this.

<<4) Children of a homosexual marriage are programmed to believe that sex between people of the same sex is what they're supposed to do as adults since children look up to their parents.>>

Wrong. Just wrong. Nobody is "programmed" to believe-- oh, wait, fundies *do* program their kids to believe that sex is dirty/sinful/only to be done in the missionary position/only to be done for procreation/all of the above.

<<5) Children of a homosexual marriage who have any inclinations toward homosexuality are thus given a license to experiment as adults when they wouldn't do so if society didn't embrace homosexuality. So homosexuality will keep increasing with each generation>>

Statistically, one in ten people is LGBTI. Has nothing to do with society or the parents' orientation. I don't see that changing any time soon.

<<6) Children of a homosexual marriage have zero ideas about what boundaries are between people since sex is the main reason that their parents want to be together in the first place. If the homosexual parents simply wanted to live together as room-mates, then there's no need for them to "marry" each other in the first place.>>

Or maybe they wanted to form a stable FAMILY. SRSLY, who the hell gets married just so they can have sex?!

<<7)Children of homosexual marriages will thus grow up, not knowing how to relate to people of their own gender since they think it's okay to be sexually intimate with anyone.>>

Again, not true. Any parent worth the title will teach their kid(s) about boundaries and personal space, as well as what's appropriate and what isn't. It has nothing to do with sex.

<<8) Children of a homosexual marriage have no clue what a mother and father are or what each represents since the "mother" and "father are arbitrary between each couple. So who they call their mother and who they call their father becomes so confusing to them that it alienates them in society and causes irrevocable confusion about what parents are supposed to do and be.>>

"Mom" and "Mama", "Dad" and "Papa"... I really wasn't aware that parents were supposed to "represent" anything to children.

<<For starters. Thus, homosexual marriage cause irreversible damage and confusion to the children in those families which creates even more confused people for the next generation.>>

Your conclusion. It's wrong.

<<And all that damage just so two people can act on their lust.>>

Still wrong.

<<There can hardly be few things more selfish.>>

HA! I can think of several.

6/17/2009 8:43:57 PM

DarkfireTaimatsu

4) Children of a homosexual marriage are programmed to believe that sex between people of the same sex is what they're supposed to do as adults since children look up to their parents.

I'm asexual. You lose.

6/17/2009 8:48:16 PM

HoJuSimpson

So basically you fail to understand what parenting let alone education is?

I grew up with straight parents and I understood as a kid that anyone can be in love with someone regardless of gender or sex. I'm sure this has do with the fact that my mom and all weren't bigots and I'm not an idiot, but to each their own.

6/17/2009 8:56:08 PM

freako104

1)"1) They create families where no one in the family is related to each other and don't know their ancestors"

when I was in high school I had a friend named Eddy. His family adopted me. Because of that I am proud to say I have 2 families. My biological family and his family. In no way were we blood related but his parents were like parents to me. He and his brother were like brothers. His baboochka (grandma) was like mine. Thus he was like a family and his family WAS a family to me.





The rest of your bullshit isn't even worth acknowledging

6/17/2009 8:59:27 PM

Osiris

1. So? We no longer live in an age were a person's worth is determined by his genealogy. Why does it matter if the people in a family are related, the point is same-sex households are willing to adopt children who don't have a family.

2. I'm pretty sure kids aren't stupid and can realize what a husband and wife are from TV. How many family sitcoms are there, I forget?

3. This is what high school and TV are for.

4. Citation motherfucker. Do you have it?

5. So? I think experimenting with sex is healthy and can prevent people from becoming sexually confused or frustrated and wind up like Micheal Jackson.

6. According to you people the only reason why marriage exists is so people can have sex. You were the ones who made it so you have to get married to have sex. Gay people want to get married so their relationship can have legitimacy in the law.

7. Citation, again. What studies show this?

8. I've said enough.

Come back to me with some studies next time.

6/17/2009 9:04:03 PM

seraphicreverie

Right, right, because kids raised by straight couples always turn out perfectly ok, are perfectly adjusted and have no problems whatsoever, and they always end up straight to boot.

6/17/2009 9:05:12 PM



Question: Do homosexual parents shelter their kids and not let them see the outside world? The basis of this argument believes so. Kids can learn-I'm sorry-be programmed on "proper" interaction with others because of television and school. Furthermore, a child can easily learn mother and father roles from television or friend's parents.

NOTE: I in NO WAY believe that children of homosexual relationships are at a disadvantage or harmed because of the relationship. I was poking holes in their argument, if I were to basically say "No, you're wrong and I am right" I would be no better than any other fundie.

6/17/2009 9:20:56 PM

Old Viking

This witless crap gets exceedingly boring.

6/17/2009 9:24:34 PM
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