By definition we are born sinners, so even if in a coma and not thinking or doing anything, we are still sinning technically just sitting there.
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Then why do all of you get so mad at all the sinners, if all sinners go to Hell, and EVERYONE is ALWAYS sinning? What's the point of following all the dumb rules being imposed on us if they don't hurt anyone, just ourselves? Even if we don't do it, we'll still be sinning by being alive.
I'll play along... And Jesus died on the cross WHY exactly? Have you ever listened to the priests? It's your book, but here's short version. Mud man and rib woman ate the fruit of knowledge. It changed their genetics, adding "sin" component into their gene code. God, who created them, saw that his two experiments (tree and human race) started to mix, so called "Fall of the (lab)man", so he decided to fix the problem. So, a few thousand years later, he sent his lab technician with antidote. The only problem was that for the antidote to work, technician had to be nailed to a tree. Which he was. And from that moment, there was no "original" sin. Nowadays, you have to sin for yourself to have some of your own sin. You can't inherit it from your parents, because antidote works until the age of 11 (age of accountability) since puberty nullifies effects of it. /rant off
@ clown:
But you forgot: You have to believe without proof i.e. have faith, that Jehovamagod impregnated an alleged virgin with himself so that he could sacrifice himself to himself to circumvent some rule that he himself made up and then wasn't all-powerful enough to just take back. He did this so all those nasty little sin particles would come off if we symbolically ate cracker flesh and drank wine blood, and then and only then could we proceed to the spin-dry cycle up in Heabum. The real miracle is that this scam keeps working!
The "everyone is always a sinner" part is what puts a lot of people off Christianity. Hell, even Islam acknowledges that non-Muslims can go to Heaven, since it's based on what you do here on Earth, as you are born sinless...
See, this is one reason I couldn't be a follower of Christianity even if I did believe there was some diety out there. Claiming you can sin without even something as basic as CONSCIOUSNESS was something I couldn't wrap my head around. I remember starting an argument with my confirmation group over Original Sin, because it made no sense to me on any level, realistic or theological, that someone who had done nothing at all could be a sinner. They didn't really attempt to explain it, they just said it was part of the Bible and thus part of Christianity. I got the feeling they didn't really understand it all that well either (these were far from fundies, for the record), but they didn't want to unilaterally reject the idea so they tried to come with something to rationalize it.
And that is what is wrong with your belief system.
I, unlike your god, don't blame people for the actions of those who came before them, and I certainly don't blame them for things that are under MY control.
By definition we are born sinners...
Meh, that's your opinion which I could care less about. Even if I have to square with God someday, it's none of your fucking business nor is how I live my life on this earth.
And don't give me that shit "we love you and just want you to go to Heaven" because I ain't listening. I have the right to be left alone. I don't care if you love me or not; just leave me the fuck alone. I have that right and you have that responsibility.
I agree, you are a sinner. I think it would be best for all if you could just quietly slip away. Off the face of the Earth would be useful or, better still, completely out of the universe.
Admittedly, your sinning is vaguely humorous. I suppose village idiots are universal.
See, this is why I hate my religion so much. Everyone seems to believe that we are all bastards and the only way to be 'good' is to pray and beg for forgiveness.
I say fuck that, just don't be a bastard and you'll be fine.
And all sins are equal in Gods eyes, so merely existing as a human makes God just as angry as murdering people, bearing false witness, or coveting thy neighbor's wife. So why do Christians try to avoid these things at all? I mean, they're already fucked just for being human.
{sigh} All right, Paradigm. I think it's high time you gave us your full and comprehensive understanding of what "sin" means.
Truth be told, I'm suspecting that he/she thinks "sinful" is just a perfect synonym of "profane". That's profane as in "not holy", not "corrupt". A good analogy would be this:
holy:kashrut::profane:treyf AND pareve
For some reason, thinking that one doesn't even have to sin in order to ask forgiveness is a refreshing break from the usual guilt trip about minor mistakes being equal to murder in God's eyes. Still doesn't make it less retarded, though.
Well, they do say sloth's a sin.
But I think most religious people would make an exception for the comatose.
Still, it's just to funny. It's just so fucking transparent what the fundies try do do. They always go;
'You are per definition an evil sinner! Fear our tyrannical god, who will torture you forever, unless you do everything we say! And pay us money for our church!'
Pure financial and political hucksterism. Scare 'em into obedience.
By Biblical definition we are born sinners,...
I think that is a lot more accurate. Also by "Biblical definition", bees have four legs and Pi is 3. So be a little wary of such and you shall do yourself a favor.
"By definition we are born sinners"
(*Puts on kettle to make cuppa, after returning home from shops; places four-pack of lager in fridge, selects track on Winamp: Socialist anthem 'The Internationale' *):
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...well you lot on Ruptured Retards are. [/smartarse]
@Dr. Shrinker
'We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes.'
-Gene Roddenberry
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