Quote# 63534

I see hell as completely necessary, but not out of some desire to see those I disagree with suffer for eternity. No, hell is necessary for the existence of free will. What kind of god would force a soul that wanted nothing to do with him to exist in his presence for all eternity? That would most certainly be wrong.

Yardstick, Christian Forums 60 Comments [6/27/2009 5:32:23 AM]
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Stupidity for Jesus

If you and you ilk were in heaven, I'd choose Hell over Heaven in a heartbeat.

6/27/2009 5:37:12 AM


Either you believe me, or jump into that fiery pit!
See! You DO have a choice!

6/27/2009 5:43:02 AM


I've faced bigger problems than that.

6/27/2009 5:47:51 AM

Because not having them in his presence is exactly the same as torturing them for all of eternity.

If he wanted to be fair, he'd just make them go away and not exist any longer.

6/27/2009 5:48:21 AM


Fair enough, except that you explain Hell as a place of everlasting torture. So the kind of god who would do that is a psychopathic immoral brute.

6/27/2009 6:07:19 AM


God's the monster who sends people to the cornfield.

6/27/2009 6:13:22 AM

So hell is just a place for us to get away from god now ?
Then what's up with all the fire and brimstone ?

God could just as easily put in some comfy chairs.

6/27/2009 6:33:26 AM

But it wouldn't be wrong to make them suffer in, as it were, "eternal hell"?

I'd rather be in hell than in heaven with the evil God I was raised learning about, quite honestly.

6/27/2009 6:35:03 AM

Doctor Whom

What kind of god would force a soul that had never heard of him, couldn't find accounts of him to be credible, or worshiped him but not in exactly the right way to exist in his presence for all eternity?

Now do you see the problem with that argument?

Also, why couldn't God just cause the unsaved to cease to exist? I don't buy the argument that souls necessarily exist into all eternity; do you believe that they necessarily existed from all eternity?

6/27/2009 6:49:42 AM


I see. So, in order not to torture his creation, the Christian god sends them away to be tortured someplace else. Gotcha.

6/27/2009 6:53:17 AM

Dio Fa

Free Will: the choice between an eternity in the clouds with a bunch of religious fundamentalists and...
...the lake o' fire, forever and ever, amen.

It's hell, no matter what Biblegod chooses.

6/27/2009 8:03:34 AM


What kind of loving deity would create a torture pit for those who used the free will he gave them?

6/27/2009 8:13:55 AM

He's doing it ALL THE TIME. Or, conversely, he could give no free will. Either way, it makes no sense.

6/27/2009 8:25:56 AM


"What kind of god would force a soul that wanted nothing to do with him to exist in his presence for all eternity?"

So, instead of just annihilating the "soul" that doesn't want to be with him, thus causing them to cease to fucking exist he instead tortures them for eternity?

Sounds like a really "loving" god you have there.

"That would most certainly be wrong."

I'm pretty sure Hell would be worse you moron.

6/27/2009 8:30:18 AM


Actually those who don't get into heaven are annihilated not eternally tortured.Hell is a pagan concept used to scare people into converting named after the Norse goddess of the underworld whose name was you guessed it Hel(one l),learn your religion dipshit.

These people almost(almost mind you) make me wish there was a god and hell just so I can spit in god's face on the way down.Fucking sadistic bastards.

6/27/2009 8:39:49 AM

Reverend Jeremiah

The fundy description of Heaven does not sound good to me, so obviously I must be tortured for all eternity.

6/27/2009 8:46:44 AM

The Jamo

No, that would be called "mature" and "forgiving"... the qualities that your god apparently posesses.

6/27/2009 8:48:57 AM


If you view hell as an eternity of torture then there is something wrong with you.

If it's just separation from your silly god, then there really isn't a problem.

6/27/2009 9:09:05 AM


6/27/2009 9:18:08 AM


Its the big abusive sky-daddy. See, child abuse doesn't cause "the ghey!" It conditions you for fundisim.

6/27/2009 9:21:34 AM

Thinking Allowed

What kind of god would give someone choose not to follow him, then punish that person for not choosing him to start with? That IS most certainly wrong.

6/27/2009 9:40:09 AM

Caustic Gnostic

You don't know if heaven, hell, or god even exist. You hope they do, for your own selfish reasons, but you do not know.

Use another worldview, or none whatsoever. That's free will.

6/27/2009 9:51:02 AM

The Skeptic Wept

@Aethernaut "So, in order not to torture his creation, the Christian god sends them away to be tortured someplace else."

Why does this so remind me of the Bush administration's policy on torture? ;^)

6/27/2009 9:58:43 AM


Speaking as an atheist, it's not that I want to have nothing to do with God, it's that I don't think there's the least little tiniest slightest scrap of evidence he exists.

And anyway, why does the desert god condemn those who don't believe to endless torture anyway? He could just snuff them out if he was as merciful as his apologists claim.

6/27/2009 10:57:16 AM


...I'm rapidly running our of reasons not to want your death.

6/27/2009 11:06:20 AM

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