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Homosexuality is simply wrong. One does not need to believe in Jesus or any other God to know that. At a very basic level an organism has one mission and that is to survive and reproduce. Homosexuality flies in the face of this basic reality. Also the very method of coupling is damaging to the organism and exposes the organism to greater incidence of disease and shorter lifespan. This is why even in animals especially primates homosexual coupling is used primary to induce submission of weaker males. Acceptance of homosexuality is naive and just not very smart.

Maelstorm, Free Republic 44 Comments [6/30/2009 12:07:45 AM]
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#978493
Nathan the Wise

Ain't they cute when they try to dress up their irrational prejudice with 'logic' and 'reason'?

6/30/2009 12:11:14 AM
#978497
Tolpuddle Martyr

"At a very basic level an organism has one mission and that is to survive and reproduce. Homosexuality flies in the face of this basic reality"

So does surfing, bungee jumping, being straight and deciding not to have kids, being a celibate priest, monk or nun. In fact so does every other activity not linked to survival or reproduction like painting, stargazing, stamp collecting, reading novels or praying for that matter.

If you want to identify yourself as a single - celled bacterium go right ahead.

"Also the very method of coupling is damaging to the organism and exposes the organism to greater incidence of disease and shorter lifespan"

So does unprotected straight sex, the kind that can lead to reproduction.

"This is why even in animals especially primates homosexual coupling is used primary to induce submission of weaker males."

Citation seriously fucking needed. Sounds to me like you're projecting some really weird violent homoerotic fantasies there.

"Acceptance of homosexuality is naive and just not very smart."

"Niave and just not very smart..." Uh, you're projecting again.

6/30/2009 12:19:47 AM
#978511
A Friend

Oh shut it you cum guzzling tinker twat. Maybe for simpletons like you life consists of eating, sleeping, excreting waste, and reproducing, but not everyone wants to live like an insect you know. Now go take your bronze age belief system and shove up your rectum.

6/30/2009 12:41:55 AM
#978517
Semi-Christian

"Homosexuality is simply wrong. One does not need to believe in Jesus or any other God to know that. At a very basic level an organism has one mission and that is to survive and reproduce. Homosexuality flies in the face of this basic reality."

- I'm gonna say that is a reasonable point...if you ignore the concept of overpopulation and people who are physically can't, or don't want to, create children and other such circumstances. (Over generalisation is my main problem with religions in general)

"Also the very method of coupling is damaging to the organism and exposes the organism to greater incidence of disease and shorter lifespan."

- Not strictly true. The action is just as risky as normal heterosexual actions. As for the *ahem* physical attributes of such an act, the human body is capable of performing, and even enjoying, such homosexual activities.

"This is why, even in animals (especially primates), homosexual coupling is used primary to induce submission of weaker males."

- It is actually used as a form of pleasure and stress relief. It is also extremely common (according to "http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx") Actually, that article is rather interesting in quite a few respects "Meetings between different dolphin species can be quite violent, but the tension is often broken by a "sex orgy"."

"Acceptance of homosexuality is naive and just not very smart."

- Incorrect. Masquerading your personal views as facts is an incredibly dishonest (and stupid) thing to do. I (and I'm going to assume the majority of people who read this) would prefer if you were simply honest and told us that you don't want to see gay people doing it together and you want grandkids. Please at least try to be honest and allow us to really see, and help you with, the problem you are experiencing.

We may actually be able to help you (though I doubt you will ever even see this damn comment)

6/30/2009 12:53:04 AM
#978527
RPJ

"At a very basic level an organism has one mission and that is to survive and reproduce."

No. A "purpose" and a "function" are two different concepts. The function of a heart is to beat, but to say its purpose is to beat implies that it was expressly created as a solution to a problem, that is, how to circulate blood. Evolution has no "purpose" any more than the "purpose" of sodium is to react with chlorine to make table salt; it simply does so. No morality is implied by a natural process; morality is a strictly human concept, and attaching morality to natural process leads to "social darwinism".

"Homosexuality flies in the face of this basic reality."

It impedes the propagation of that individual's genes. That is true. And this is an objective reality; it makes no statement of morality. That is a false link that you created to justify your irrational prejudice with the pretext of rationality.

"Also the very method of coupling is damaging to the organism and exposes the organism to greater incidence of disease and shorter lifespan."

This is true of many behaviors which are vital to the survival of the species, including normal reproduction, as well as many human behaviors that are not necessary for survival of the species. The rational solution is to increase the availability of healthcare and awareness programs.

"This is why even in animals especially primates homosexual coupling is used primary to induce submission of weaker males."

This may be true in some species and some instances, but not in all (or probably even any significant minority), nor is it relevant to humans.

"Acceptance of homosexuality is naive and just not very smart."

Your personal opinion is irrelevant.

6/30/2009 1:22:26 AM
#978531
Swedish Pagan

Erm, no. The organism also has to make sure that the offspring can survive and reproduce. Some organisms are independent from the day they are born/split/whatever. Others, like the human species, have very long maturing periods, where the offspring needs care and attention. If the environment can't handle more offsprings at a certain period, it is beneficiary for the species if there are people able to take care of existing offsprings, but not creating more of their own. Hence homosexuals.

Bonobos use sexual intercourse to say hi, to calm the nerves, to make friends, and also to reproduce. All of the bonobos, regardless of gender, do this with each other. (Ok, not the last function, that takes one of each kind.)

The coupling by fellatio and cunnilingus are damaging? How, exactly? Lots and lots of heterosexual couples have anal sex too. If it's done right, without force, it can be done without damage.

6/30/2009 1:32:51 AM
#978542


The theory of "submission of weaker males" sounds ridiculous, bearing in mind that it's practiced mainly by the Alfa males and that the "weaker males" in nature die naturally. And concerning reproduction, I don't know, the same nature makes animals and people alike and they survive. Again, nature is not culture.

6/30/2009 2:16:56 AM
#978559
BobsOldSocks

Arrant nonsense. See:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13674-evolution-myths-natural-selection-cannot-explain-homosexuality.html

6/30/2009 2:39:02 AM
#978563
EvoPagan

Well, Shitstorm, it's like this. Seeing as how a) we have good nutrition, sanitation and semi-decent medical care now, we don't have to start breeding at puberty to keep the species alive and b) the earth is already overpopulated, it's really not a big deal if a few--and I do mean A FEW--of us don't breed. Of course, irony being what it is, it seems that very often the stupider one is, the more chance one has of reproducing several times.

6/30/2009 3:10:21 AM
#978566
Thundersqueaks

I agree, Maelstorm. You're a very basic organism.

6/30/2009 3:19:10 AM
#978587
D Laurier.

Huh?
What?

Another homophobe spewing jibberish

6/30/2009 4:58:49 AM
#978589
aaa

I'd like to see some substance behind your argument.

6/30/2009 5:02:30 AM
#978592
EllwyenDarwin

'Reason' and 'logic' does nothing more than provide a thin veil to hide your highly irrational prejudice.

6/30/2009 5:12:23 AM
#978596
Doctor Whom

At a very basic level an organism has one mission and that is to survive and reproduce.

Then why are you wasting your time posting on the interwebs? Get out there and reproduce!

Homosexuality flies in the face of this basic reality.

No more than do worker ants.

Also the very method of coupling is damaging to the organism and exposes the organism to greater incidence of disease and shorter lifespan.

I believe with perfect faith that condoms don't work. I believe with perfect faith that there are no lesbians. I believe with perfect faith that the HIV statistics coming out of D.C. are made up.

6/30/2009 5:17:12 AM
#978604


Homosexuality is simply wrong.

From your perspective perhaps.

One does not need to believe in Jesus or any other God to know that.

But it helps, right?

At a very basic level an organism has one mission and that is to survive and reproduce. Homosexuality flies in the face of this basic reality.

True, however, the human race seems to be doing OK in the count department even with gays in the mix. Also, along with homosexuals you do realize you just put down childless and infertile heterosexual couples too, right?

Also the very method of coupling is damaging to the organism and exposes the organism to...shorter lifespan.

So does getting out of bed in the morning. The world's a dangerous place, and if you don't keep your feet about you, you never know who or what you might encounter.

Acceptance of homosexuality is naive and just not very smart.

Why don't you just say that you refuse to accept homosexuality and leave it at that? Let others make the decision for themselves, why don't you?

6/30/2009 6:00:53 AM
#978610
ixolite

At a very basic level an organism has one mission and that is to survive and reproduce.

So how do you explain ants, bees etc.?

6/30/2009 6:30:42 AM
#978613
Mageapprentice

What about intersexuality or transsexuality, for that matter? Justr because someone can't "breed" doesn't make that person useless.

They can contribute very signifigantly in social and technological ways.

Socially, make it easier for people to make a good living and enjoy their lives more, like starting a major corporation that actually watches after their employees. AND-

Technologically- designing a super-efficient jet engine or car engines, and other technologies that use less resources and are much more efficient.

Just because I can't reproduce doesn't mean that I can't contribute to society in signifigant ways.

I am not an amoeba or a bacterium- my life is not dictated by the function of my genitals.

6/30/2009 6:36:29 AM
#978614
Horsefeathers

"Homosexuality is simply wrong."

Why?

"One does not need to believe in Jesus or any other God to know that."

True, but the two seem highly correlated to one another.

"At a very basic level an organism has one mission and that is to survive and reproduce."

Yes, but at the most basic level is survival of the species. The individual, in all honesty, doesn't matter.

"Homosexuality flies in the face of this basic reality."

No, it doesn't. It appears to be a naturally occurring form of population control to prevent a species from surpassing the ability of its environment to sustain it without any of the detrimental effects of having a smaller population.

"Also the very method of coupling is damaging to the organism and exposes the organism to greater incidence of disease and shorter lifespan."

Bull. Shit.

Cite me a medical article from a peer reviewed medical journal that indicates any of this.

"This is why even in animals especially primates homosexual coupling is used primary to induce submission of weaker males."

Uh, no.

And what about the females? Why do you guys always forget about the lesbians?

"Acceptance of homosexuality is naive and just not very smart."

Something is naive and not very smart, I'll give you that.

6/30/2009 6:37:21 AM
#978625
The L

Yeah, except that now we've got the infant mortality rate down to incredibly low levels, we don't ALL need to reproduce anymore! Even if half the human population were gay, the remaining heterosexual half would provide plenty of kids to keep the human race alive for another generation. After all, a lot of straight couples choose to never have children, or are infertile.

It doesn't make sense for ALL humans to be gay. But most humans aren't. And given the current human population of the earth, it does make a lot of sense for SOME humans to be gay or bisexual.

6/30/2009 7:01:15 AM
#978634
JohnTheAtheist

In a certain manner I don't disagree with this poster. The difference we have though is that I do not feel the need to persecute and deprive homosexuals of their civil rights.

Live and let live asshole.

6/30/2009 7:41:25 AM
#978638
Orion

I always love how when the fundies try to use evolution they always see the whole idea as "only the individuals survival and reproduction matter".

No.

The correct way to go about being a better human is to contribute to the greater good of the race ABOVE AND BEYOND your immediate survival and reproduction. The more generous, communal and gregarious organisms are mostly more successful and adaptable to incoming changes. At least out of conscious organisms at any rate.

6/30/2009 7:51:56 AM
#978642
Sisyphus

On the whole I'd say anal sex is less dangerous than unprotected vaginal sex.

Before women started giving birth in hospitals with modern medicine at hand there was a 50-60% maternal fatality rate. Now the maternal mortality rate is only about 1-5%. Even with the medical technology at hand some women bleed out and need several blood transfusions, their blood pressure can go dangerously high and put them in a coma, they can lost their uterus completely (occasionally to stop bleeding), they can become paralyzed. That's just the tip of the ice berg. Let's not forget therun of the mill urinary incontinence (occasionally life long but usually only temporary) post partum. Or when the swelling is so great in the peri-vaginal area that women need to self catheterize post partum. Vaginal tearing requiring stitches to repair.

Compared to that, some minor anal tearing (which 99/100 times heals by itself in a day or two) or a relaxed sphincter seem like a small risks to me. I've never heard of anyone dying from anal sex (not counting people who put tins of hairspray up their rectums)


6/30/2009 8:01:52 AM
#978645
Dr. Novakaine

At a very basic level an organism has one mission and that is to survive and reproduce. Homosexuality flies in the face of this basic reality.

These insticts are all driven towards a more specific purpose: species survival. Homosexuality can promote that by providing better care for young and reducing conflict between individuals and groups that might attack each other otherwise.


Also the very method of coupling is damaging to the organism and exposes the organism to greater incidence of disease and shorter lifespan.

As always, wrong.


This is why even in animals especially primates homosexual coupling is used primary to induce submission of weaker males.

I have not seen a single reputable scientist suggest this, ever. Excuse me if I decide not to take it seriously.


Acceptance of homosexuality is naive and just not very smart.

You misspelled 'rejection.'

6/30/2009 8:03:17 AM
#978654
Headache

Homosexuality is natures own way to ensure a genetic healthy population group. Once in-breeding starts to increase, like you obviously is an example of, the number of homosexuals in your population group will increase and with the result that people will have to find viable partners outside your local group, bringing new genetic material into the group!

You should thank the gays, not hate them!


6/30/2009 8:18:27 AM
#978676
Zeus Almighty

"Homosexuality is simply wrong. One does not need to believe in Jesus or any other God to know that."

Homosexuality was widely practiced and accepted by the ancient Greeks, Romans as well as by Native Americans, among others.
For your statement to be true homosexuality would have to always have been considered absolutely wrong by all cultures at all times.
You are fucking WRONG!
Also, you and your sister really shouldn't have any more kids together; after all, you saw what the results were from you being the offspring of parents who also are your aunt and uncle.

6/30/2009 9:17:36 AM
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