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I agree with Geoff Rogers on one point only. He says "our laws should be based on observable reality". So take your blinkers off, Mr Rogers.

The evidence for the existence of God can be clearly seen in the wonders of the universe, and therefore God warns us in Romans 1 that nobody will be without excuse on judgement day. People choose to ignore the evidence so they can do what they like, foolishly thinking they are not answerable to anyone. Take God out of the equation and we can legalise anything. All kinds of evil can be justified.

You mockingly talk about faith in God, Mr Rogers, but let me tell you it takes more faith to believe we descended from monkeys (where did they come from by the way?) or that we and the whole universe resulted from a giant explosion out of nothing. Come on! Get real.

The euthanasia lobby is loud and forceful with regular letters on these pages trying to deceive us. The pain factor is not the issue at all, it's about usurping God's power and control over us. Did we have a say in our birth? Why then should we have a say in our death?

Nobody has mentioned near-death experiences yet. How do you explain them, Mr Rogers? When describe their soul/spirit leaving the body and can accurately report back all that was going on and said while clinically dead? What about those who see Angels and meet Jesus in heaven? Some I know have even seen hell. They come back changed people with a different view on life after death and the reality of Jesus Christ.

M Rowe, Letters to the Editor, The West Australian, 3 July 2009 31 Comments [7/30/2009 8:32:35 PM]
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The Skeptic Wept

Apparently, this poster is not well read. So many questions - so many easy really old answers.

7/30/2009 8:37:08 PM

Thejebusfire

The evidence for the existence of God can be clearly seen in the wonders of the universe
Which one?

Take God out of the equation and we can legalise anything. All kinds of evil can be justified.

If that's true then why is Sweden such a good country? They have no god's in their laws and they're doing just fine.

...it takes more faith to believe we descended from monkeys...

Read a book. We didn't descend from mere monkeys.

or that we and the whole universe resulted from a giant explosion out of nothing.

It was an expanstion not explosion.

Why then should we have a say in our death?

Then stop going to the doctor and taking medicine.

When describe their soul/spirit leaving the body and can accurately report back all that was going on and said while clinically dead?

The dead person could be pulling your leg, or they could be imagioning something (it's said that the brain tends to flashback before dying).

What about those who see Angels and meet Jesus in heaven? Some I know have even seen hell.
What about those who clamined to see ghosts or afterlives of other religions?


7/30/2009 8:54:24 PM

freako104

"Take God out of the equation and we can legalise anything. All kinds of evil can be justified. "

How so? Many who do not believe in your god do no evil. Many who do have done evil. And put him in, and people can do it and then say they are forgiven.


"You mockingly talk about faith in God, Mr Rogers, but let me tell you it takes more faith to believe we descended from monkeys (where did they come from by the way?)"


It sure does! Especially since that's not how evolution works.



" or that we and the whole universe resulted from a giant explosion out of nothing. Come on! Get real. "


Not out of nothing. Come on! Get real.Understand the theories before you try this.




"Why then should we have a say in our death?
"

Seeing as it is our lives, why shouldn't we?



"Nobody has mentioned near-death experiences yet. How do you explain them, Mr Rogers? When describe their soul/spirit leaving the body and can accurately report back all that was going on and said while clinically dead? What about those who see Angels and meet Jesus in heaven? Some I know have even seen hell. They come back changed people with a different view on life after death and the reality of Jesus Christ?'"


And for those who had near death experiences and say there was nothing? Or that the gods guided them back? Or that they saw non Christian ideologies there?


7/30/2009 9:23:28 PM

GigaGuess

I agree with Geoff Rogers on one point only. He says "our laws should be based on observable reality". So take your blinkers off, Mr Rogers.
Yes, observable reality, like the knowledge that activity X will directly harm person or persons Y.

The evidence for the existence of God can be clearly seen in the wonders of the universe...
No, that's evidence that the universe is a complex and awe-inspiring place. Not that Goddidit.

...and therefore God warns us in Romans 1 that nobody will be without excuse on judgement day.
Like, say, why he sent a bunch of lunatics to screech about what he does and sdoes not like or want instead of parting the clouds, and going "Hey! Knock it off!" If we offend God so grievously, why does he not do something about it. Personally. Directly. No fires in a fire riddled portion of California to warn the gays. no hurricanes in a place prone to hurricanes to warn the partyers...

People choose to ignore the evidence so they can do what they like, foolishly thinking they are not answerable to anyone.
Of course I'm answerable to someone. The law. The government. Those I love. And most importantly, myself, and my conscience.

Take God out of the equation and we can legalise anything. All kinds of evil can be justified.
Evil like having the audacity to love someone of the same gender, or allowing a woman to decide what's going to reside in and feed off her body...?

You mockingly talk about faith in God, Mr Rogers, but let me tell you it takes more faith to believe we descended from monkeys (where did they come from by the way?) or that we and the whole universe resulted from a giant explosion out of nothing. Come on! Get real.
First, apes, not monkeys, you moron. There is a difference. Second, dunno, but I bet a little time on Google would answer that...but real answers would get in the way of your righteous indignation, wouldn't it?

The euthanasia lobby is loud and forceful with regular letters on these pages trying to deceive us. The pain factor is not the issue at all, it's about usurping God's power and control over us.
Yeah, we don't care the Aunt Tessie's every moment alive is unmitigated agony, we just want to have the right to decide when she dies to give God a big screw you. You got us. Ass.

Did we have a say in our birth? Why then should we have a say in our death?
Perhaps not, but something tells me if your body was riddled with tumors, and the mere act of existing caused you unrelenting pain, you'd be begging for anyone to let you go. And what about the people who are all but bead, kept alive by machines? You have the nerve to accuse us of playing God, when these people, who should not even be alive are kept in a suspended state, trapped in their own body, unable to experience life AT ALL?

Nobody has mentioned near-death experiences yet. How do you explain them, Mr Rogers?
Personally, I believe in the soul, but I also know that trauma makes the mind do some funny, funny things, too.

When describe their soul/spirit leaving the body and can accurately report back all that was going on and said while clinically dead?
Good guesswork, the doctors unwittingly filling in details, perhaps there was flickers of consciousness in there as well. There are a number of things that can happen.

What about those who see Angels and meet Jesus in heaven?
Your mind is reeling. It's not a surprise that it rests on something that will sooth itself before it shuts down.

Some I know have even seen hell. They come back changed people with a different view on life after death and the reality of Jesus Christ.
And ten bucks says an easy half of them are liars preying on a gullible fool. The other half likely saw the path their life was on, and, when faced with their own mortality, opted to change it. Whether it was actual "hell" or their own subconscious giving them a wakeup call cannot be implicitly clear.

And just how do yo know so many dying people anyways?

7/30/2009 9:36:13 PM

DevilsChaplain

"...but let me tell you it takes more faith to believe we descended from monkeys..."

Ugh.....not this shit again...

7/30/2009 9:50:48 PM

Clown

"The pain factor is not the issue at all, it's about usurping God's power and control over us."

The same power we have when building dams and using medicine to prolong our lifespans?

"Did we have a say in our birth? Why then should we have a say in our death?"

Because people change from the moment of birth.

The rest is regular bullshit.

7/30/2009 11:10:21 PM



The wonders of the universe can be explained in a million ways. Try a better non-sequitur.

7/30/2009 11:29:56 PM

Atheismo

I think he means "turn your blinker off, Mr. Rogers". Apparently, Mr. Rogers has been driving in the right lane with his left turn signal on for the last five kilometers. Annoying as hell, that Mr. Rogers.

7/30/2009 11:59:23 PM

aaa

Text book fundie. So stereotypical, that it hurts.

7/31/2009 12:05:00 AM

Wehpudicabok

Several unrelated points:

The evidence for the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster can be clearly seen in the wonders of the universe.

Take God out of the equation and you're forced to use logic and evidence to justify laws. Oh noes.

I don't care how much faith you claim that it takes, or how distorted your perceptions of biology and cosmology are. I believe that science is more credible than religion.

We should have a say in our death because everyone should be allowed all rights to their own life that do not infringe upon the rights of others. That is what the word "freedom" actually means. If you believe otherwise, you are anti-freedom, and I'm (pardon the language) fucking sick of hearing you people claim that we are the ones who are anti-freedom.

In high school, I knew a guy who was a Christian (not particularly devout, but Christian enough) until his grandfather had a near-death experience and saw absolutely nothing. Now he (the kid) is an agnostic.

7/31/2009 12:15:09 AM

WMDKitty

What the shit? Your "God" is NOT observable, and is NOT REAL, therefore your religion has no bearing on the law.

7/31/2009 12:51:43 AM

lol what

M Rowe is lulz. I'm from Western Australia and he has a proud history of writing complete tripe to the newspaper.

7/31/2009 1:08:15 AM

Count Zapolai

"usurping God's power and control over us"
It's pretty obvious that if there's a God, it would be impossible to do something which he did not wish to allow to happen. In fact, if I were religious, I would regard the notion that humanity's actions could ever usurp God as highly disrespectful.

7/31/2009 1:32:04 AM

Count Zapolai

"usurping God's power and control over us"
It's pretty obvious that if there's a God, it would be impossible to do something which he did not wish to allow to happen. In fact, if I were religious, I would regard the notion that humanity's actions could ever usurp God as highly disrespectful.

7/31/2009 1:45:02 AM

BobsOldSocks

Ignorance personified.

7/31/2009 3:04:56 AM

Orion

As much as I do so love my home state, it makes me facepalm every time I see this guy and others like him (possibly sockpuppets) popping up in the newspaper. But they have to publish both sides of the argument in the opinion pages.

The Euthanasia debate is like the abortion debate in America, every time it is mentioned the fundies crawl out of their holes to bitch about it from their phony moral high ground.

7/31/2009 4:28:46 AM



"So take your blinkers off, Mr Rogers. "

Unsew your eyelids M Rowe.

7/31/2009 4:35:44 AM

Tolpuddle Martyr

"He says "our laws should be based on observable reality"."

The horror, laws based on reality!

7/31/2009 6:16:27 AM

Dr. Novakaine

It doesn't take a lot of faith to believe we descended from other ancestral primates. There's so much evidence that it makes most faith unneeded.

7/31/2009 7:40:22 AM

Misty

Near death experiences explained: YOUR BRAIN GOES BONKERS CUZ IT'S LACKING BLOOD. CENTRIFUGAL TESTS OFFER THE SAME RESULTS.

Thank you, thank you.

7/31/2009 8:00:19 AM

John

The evidence for the existence of God can be clearly seen in the wonders of the universe

Yeah, that's what the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster says.

7/31/2009 8:00:37 AM

Swedish Pagan

"The evidence for the existence of God can be clearly seen in the wonders of the universe"
Which god? Ra or Zeus or Jupiter or Shiva or Odin or Allah?

God says "thou shalt not kill". He also says "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live". So, which one is it? Can we kill or can't we? And if we can kill witches, then why not loved ones who are in agonizing pain and will never get better? We spare our pets that kind of pain, why not our parents or spouses or children?

All societies throughout history have had some basic rule about treating others as you want to be treated, regardless of religion or belief system. Wanting to treat others with decency and respect is inherent in us, those who don't will not get that many of their genes spread to the next generation.
Christians saying people would do evil stuff if there was no god, makes you wonder if fear of god is all that's keeping THEM from evil. It says more about them, than they realize.

Near-death experiences. Ho hum. Aren't there scientists who have explained these phenomoenons with very mundande, natural causes? And can't it be the other way around? The images from those experiences have fueled the notion of a strong light comming to meet us when we die?

7/31/2009 8:36:48 AM

Doctor Whom

The evidence for the existence of God can be clearly seen in the wonders of the universe...

...only if your God is incompetent.

You mockingly talk about faith in God, Mr Rogers, but let me tell you it takes more faith to believe we descended from monkeys (where did they come from by the way?) or that we and the whole universe resulted from a giant explosion out of nothing. Come on! Get real.

Did you sit out science class in school?

Did we have a say in our birth? Why then should we have a say in our death?

In the latter case, you already exist and can make decisions.

Nobody has mentioned near-death experiences yet. How do you explain them, Mr Rogers?

Neurology?

What about those who see Angels and meet Jesus in heaven?

How many Hindus see Christ? How many Christians see Vishnu?

7/31/2009 8:54:24 AM

Sisyphus

Wow. Just wow. And to think, he had it published in a newspaper for millions to see. His family is shaking their heads. His coworkers are smirking and thinking to themselves "I always knew he was an idiot, I just never knew why".

7/31/2009 8:55:41 AM

Zeus Almighty

"The euthanasia lobby is loud and forceful with regular letters on these pages trying to deceive us. The pain factor is not the issue at all, it's about usurping God's power and control over us. Did we have a say in our birth?"

Well, M Rowe, first of all thanks for the helping serving of stupid word salad. Second, here's hoping you die of cancer very slowly and painfully.
I've had two relatives (dad and aunt) die from pancreatic cancer and doctors withheld feeding in both cases to hasten their deaths. Yeah, that's much more humane than giving someone a fatal dose of pain medication. Not!
But I do take it back about hoping you die slowly of cancer. It would be much better if it were your son or daughter suffering incredible agony with an incurable, fatal disease as part of your "god's will."
What would you do? Would you allow your loved one to suffer, or would you humanely end the suffering -- you know, like you would do for the family dog?

7/31/2009 10:52:39 AM
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