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Well they are all pretty much the same thing. In case you didn't know communism is based on Karl Marx's (marxism) The Communist Manifesto. And socialism is pretty much the same thing. The latter types of government interfere with every single aspect of life; education, health, etc. Obama is a Fascist, he wants complete government control. I'm not a republican, I'm a libertarian. Libertarians believe that government should stay out of people's lives--less government, more freedom. Government help is not always the solution, is usually the problem.

MangoMantra, Yahoo! Answers 42 Comments [7/30/2009 8:43:30 PM]
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Submitted By: Lord X
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what?

Where in here is God or Jesus or Christianity even mentioned? Someone is not a fundy because they disagree with you. Who is moderating these entries?

7/30/2009 8:49:29 PM

aaa

Kid, show me a country where libertarianism worked and i will show you a country where socialism worked.

@what?: It doesn't need to be religious to be fundy. It just needs to be stupid.

7/30/2009 8:58:22 PM

GigaGuess

Kinda like if someone says to sell all you own, and give the money you make to the poor?

Now who would suggest such a daft thing? Who, I ask you?

7/30/2009 9:06:35 PM

freako104

Well they are all pretty much the same thing. In case you didn't know communism is based on Karl Marx's (marxism) The Communist Manifesto. And socialism is pretty much the same thing.""


Except they are a bit different




"Obama is a Fascist, he wants complete government control. "


What does facism have to do with socialism or communism? And Bush was far more a fascist than Obama. Like you I am a libertarian. Unlike you I see Bush for that. I don't trust Obama I don't deny that but he isn't doing nearly as bad a job.

7/30/2009 9:15:52 PM

paidblow

He is a false libertarian.

That is all.

7/30/2009 9:39:17 PM

Lord X

Here's why I submitted this one:

First, Socialism is generally a left wing political system. Facism is the polar opposite, after all, last I checked Nazi Germany was a conservative government.

Second, this idiot as well as most others who bitch and moan about socialism confuse it with totalitarianism.

Third, facism does not necessarily equal totalitarianism.

Fourth, communism is an economic system, not a system of government.

Fifth, I suspect that this person is confusing libertarianism with anarchy a bit.

It might not be religious fundie, but it is political fundie.

7/30/2009 9:57:10 PM

ireadabouttheafterlife

Wait! What?! Communism is based off of The Communist Manifesto? JESUS FUCKING CHRIST! Who would have thought?

Also fail for not understanding that communism and fascism are on complete opposites of the political spectrum.

7/30/2009 10:06:35 PM

Nowonmai

How is this 'fundie'?

7/30/2009 10:11:33 PM

Booley

"Government help is not always the solution, is usually the problem."

Be sure to tell the Fire Dept that when your house catches on fire.

Though I admit this isn't fundy (even if many fundies think this way). Just very stupid.

7/30/2009 10:44:07 PM

Lord X

The FSTDT definition of fundie is as follows:

Fundie

1. A usually religious person or entity characterized by one or more of the following: an extreme lack of rationality, fondness of logical fallacies, repeated use of emotional appeals, rigid adherence to Bronze Age mythology, endorsement of pseudoscientific nonsense, opposition to the First Amendment, bigotry and discriminatory attitudes towards minority groups, belief that certain children's media is the work of Satan, and propensity to post Bible verses instead of valid argument.

It should be noted that one can be religious--even a fundamentalist--but not actually attain the vaunted status of "fundie," which needs that special touch only people fitting stereotypical caricatures can provide. Additionally, religion is technically not even a pre-requisite for this, although blind adherence to its ideologies (and those of politics) is perhaps the #1 source of fundies in the universe. Rigid, arrogant, "know-it-all-and-confidently-force-it-on-everyone-else" authoritarian strains of both amplify the propensity to fundyism, while more moderate, "this-seems-like-a-good-idea-but-might-be-wrong, so-let's-not-be-total-jackasses-about-it" varieties can keep it in check or even undermine it.

Note the line "...Religion is technically not a prerequisite for this..." meaning that not all fundies are religious fundies.

7/30/2009 10:53:53 PM

Chatvert

Hear ye, hear ye! We now convene the FSTDT Parliament to rechristen our fair site "Stupid Things People Say About President Obama" until such time as people stop saying stupid things.

Oh, and basic understanding of political systems fail.

7/30/2009 10:56:29 PM

Clown

Ouch. That fail hurt me, and I was just watching from the safe distance.

7/30/2009 11:13:01 PM



Wrong on so many levels.

1. The term communism preceded Marx, Marx developed a communist theory of political economy known thereafter as Marxism which became the basis for later communist ideologies like Leninism, Trotskyism and Maoism.
2. Socialism =/= communism. Socialism also precedes Marx, it refers to a means of distributing goods and services, not a political ideology. It's also not necessarily statist, plenty of Anarchists have socialistic beliefs - they just think the community rather than the government should distribute the goods and services.
3. Fascism is an ideology which opposes liberalism, communism, individualism and rationalism to the extent that a fascist state will try to stamp these ideologies out completely by incacerating or executing their proponents. Whatever Obama is, he aint that.

Before you start telling us what your ideology is, at least understand what you are opposing. By the looks of it you wouldn't have a bloody clue.

Tolpuddle Martyr wrote this and forgot to type in his username.

7/30/2009 11:34:22 PM



Well if Obama is a facist then you don't have to worry about Socialism then.

7/30/2009 11:55:24 PM

Wehpudicabok

If Obama were a fascist, you wouldn't be allowed to say so.

7/31/2009 12:03:29 AM



For those living outside the US, these "government is the problem" and "Obama is a Fascist/Sociialist/Communist" nuts (usually Republican, but sometimes claiming to be Libertarian or Independent) follow this ideology to extremes, just as rabid and stubbornly ignorant as any fundie religion or cult. The radio and TV airwaves here are full of them foaming at the mouth with this crap, 24/7. If any group qualifies as fundie, they do.

7/31/2009 12:44:12 AM



Rallymodeller

It actually makes me laugh when the hardcore Libertarians come out of the woodwork down in the States. We Canadians live in a social democracy (what the John Galters would call a socialist state) but in many ways we are more libertarian than any American.

As with most things, the true way lies somewhere in the grey area.

PS: We are pretty much free of the recession. How y'all doing down there?

7/31/2009 12:51:00 AM

WMDKitty

*eyeroll*

Stupid... burns...

7/31/2009 12:53:37 AM

Brain_In_A_Jar

Lots of socialists, though by no means all, also oppose large, authoritarian governments. The conditions for the establishment of socialism are remarkably similar to those for the establishment of ultra-libertarianism or "objectivism," and also for the descent into total anarchy, out of which just about any other regime, usually a bad one, could subsequently rise.

What determines which of the above you end up with is not the act of removing the government, but the state of the people at the time. If they're a bunch of selfish jerks who don't give a fuck about anyone else, you get ultra-libertarianism. If they also don't give a fuck about the functioning or wellbeing of society as a whole, you get anarchy. You only get socialism if people have both a social awareness and some sense of social responsibility before the existing government comes down.

I think I'm right in saying that communism was originally intended to be an intermediate stage to get people into the right frame of mind to guarantee the rise of socialism, rather than a regression to pre-capitalistic anarchy, once the government vanished; the catch is that governments typically don't like to self-destruct, even for a good reason, much the same way a single person wouldn't.

7/31/2009 12:55:02 AM

toothache

This is stupid, but clearly not fundie.

7/31/2009 1:48:03 AM

BobsOldSocks

Ah, libertarianism: the last refuge of the misanthrope.

7/31/2009 2:59:12 AM

Orion

"In case you didn't know communism is based on Karl Marx's (marxism) The Communist Manifesto."

Statement of the fucking obvious award!

"And socialism is pretty much the same thing."

Except not. Only thicker people seem to confuse the two terms. Basically dooming any socialist concept in the USA due to association with "reds". So long public healthcare system.

"The latter types of government interfere with every single aspect of life; education, health, etc."

Wrong. That's a totalitarian state, while a totalitarian state can be a communist or socialist one, it can also be capitalist.

"Obama is a Fascist, he wants complete government control."

1. Unrelated to previous statement.
2. Evidence?
3. No, attempting to establish a public healthcare system is not fascist.

"Libertarians believe that government should stay out of people's lives--less government, more freedom."

Not always true. Read Snow Crash, fun book, all about a near-future America where capitalism and libertarianism have become such powerful ideas that there is no govt restriction or public enterprise, businesses run everything and even print their own currencies. Some things are good about this world, others, not so much.

"Government help is not always the solution"

Another captain obvious award for MangoMantra, nothing is ever always the solution.

"is usually the problem."

It can be. But I look at the countries with the best living standards, lowest poverty rates and biggest Human Development Indexes and I see the high-taxed and highly socialistic nations like Sweden, the Netherlands and even Australia.

7/31/2009 4:19:24 AM

Swedish Pagan

The "interference" with every single aspect of life, that's just to make sure that everyone has as much education, health service, food and shelter as they need.

First you talk about communism, then socialism (not the same thing as communism by the way, just as conervatism and liberalism are not "pretty much the same thing"). Then all of a sudden we are on the other side of the political spectrum, the ultra right, with the accusation that Obama is a Fascist. How did we get there?

Less government leads to more freedom, yeah maybe. More freedom to die of starvation in one of the world's riches countries, freedom to die of treatable diseases in the same rich country, freedom to not be able to feed or clothe your children, freedom to not go to school as it's too expensive, and so on and so forth.
I'd rather have some amount of government control, so that everyone gets food, shelter, health care and education.

@Orion
But I look at the countries with the best living standards, lowest poverty rates and biggest Human Development Indexes and I see the high-taxed and highly socialistic nations like Sweden, the Netherlands and even Australia.
Sadly our present government (conservative/liberal/chistian coalition) are trying to copy the American Way. We now have beggars on the streets, homeless people, people who can't afford to go to the dentist. And they managed to get thousands of people to leave the trade unions, just before the Financial Crisis. Progress? Not so much...

7/31/2009 4:32:13 AM

Mister Spak

In case you didn't know christianism is bades on schizophrenia and bronze age fairy tales.

7/31/2009 4:36:38 AM

ozznova

How is this fundie?

7/31/2009 7:28:32 AM
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