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The design of Atoms, the heading of this thread implies a creator or designer.. Everything has a designer/creator, that's really blatantly obvious. As for scientific jargon, I don't dispute the use of it but dispute the use of it in relation to really bad science. Macro-Evolution is really bad science in my opinion. Who cares if some or majority of Christians accept Macro-evolution, thats their endeavour not mine, they can believe as they wish but in my view it's either God did it or a process too proposterous to even begin to occur. It's about worldviews, you've been given a choice to believe eiher, you've made your choice but you're wrong. You're all to bloody blinded by the lies as for us IDers we're set free by the truth. God said that in the end times the wicked would become blind to the obvious things, well we must certainly be living in the end times thats for sure.. Oh God, I'm preaching again, just a matter of time..

Oliver, Richard Dawkins Forum 28 Comments [7/31/2009 3:15:07 PM]
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wackadoodle

But remember kids, ID is a serious scientific theory with no religious agenda.

7/31/2009 3:18:18 PM

Eden

Everything has a designer/creator, that's really blatantly obvious.

If everything has a designer/creator, as you think, who created god? ;)

7/31/2009 3:18:32 PM

tracer

"Everything has a designer/creator, that's really blatantly obvious."


Obvious to a human, who sees the universe through the prejudice of human experience, that is.

Humans are designers. Thus, we tend to view things in our environment in terms of design. It's one of the qualities that makes us such fantastically good toolmakers. Unfortunately, it leads to a tendency to see design where none exists.

Kinda like how you see the Virgin Mary in the scorchmarks on a tortilla.

7/31/2009 3:22:04 PM

Dark_Lord_Prime

"God said that in the end times the wicked would become blind to the obvious things..."

So.. you admit that you're wicked?

7/31/2009 3:31:16 PM

WMDKitty

"...Oh God, I'm preaching again, just a matter of time..."

*giggle-snort*

Wow.

7/31/2009 4:18:25 PM

Old Viking

"Goddidit."

"Well, ya got me there, pardner."

7/31/2009 4:19:48 PM

mageapprentice

"as for us IDers we're set free by the truth"

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

Watch out now! Big Brother in the Sky is watching you!

7/31/2009 4:39:55 PM

Zoo

"The design of Atoms, the heading of this thread implies a creator or designer."

Yes. Our language is biased towards terms of design. This does not mean that there is an ultimate designer or that people who use such titles really think the thing(s) they refer to are designed.

"Macro-Evolution is really bad science in my opinion."

And your opinion sucks because it's not based on the readily available empirical evidence.

"the wicked would become blind to the obvious things"

I daresay this is referring to you. A lot of the minute details of evolution and evolutionary processes are admittedly opaque to the non-specialist, but the parts that aren't (which are the big ideas of the theory anyway) have been translated for the layman for decades.

7/31/2009 4:46:40 PM

EllwyenDarwin

I can't believe he spouted this dribble on RichardDawkins.net knowing full well everyone on there isn't going to listen to his nonsence.

7/31/2009 5:08:28 PM

Vince

I remember the Amish saying.

"the whole world is crazy but me and thou, and I have my doubts about thou..."


in this situation, trust me, your wrong, it's just you that's crazy. as an excellent example, this saying is Amish.

7/31/2009 5:14:53 PM

EvoPagan

Everything has a designer/creator, that's really blatantly obvious.

Even conjoined twins and babies with spina bifida and little deformed kittens that die shortly after birth???

(hey, I'm not even an atheist but if you have a working brain you really do have to ask yourself these things)

7/31/2009 5:45:15 PM

Papabear

"The design of Atoms, the heading of this thread implies a creator or designer.."

It truly does imply that, but implication doesn't equal fact.

"Everything has a designer/creator, that's really blatantly obvious."

No, it may SEEM blatantly obvious to the dull and uninterested, but not to many of the brighter people.

"As for scientific jargon, I don't dispute the use of it but dispute the use of it in relation to really bad science."

Good. So do I, however, I don't think you have any idea of what is really bad science.

"Macro-Evolution is really bad science in my opinion."

Everyone, no matter how stupid and ignorant, is entitled to his/her opinion. Your opinion has no effect upon the facts.

"Who cares if some or majority of Christians accept Macro-evolution, thats their endeavour not mine, they can believe as they wish but in my view it's either God did it or a process too proposterous to even begin to occur."

As concerns your belief, see above.

"It's about worldviews, you've been given a choice to believe eiher, you've made your choice but you're wrong."

Either prove the ToE is significantly incorrect or prove the existence of your God. Otherwise, STFU.

"You're all to bloody blinded by the lies as for us IDers we're set free by the truth."

No, you feel free because your delusions allow you to ignore reality.

"God said that in the end times the wicked would become blind to the obvious things, well we must certainly be living in the end times thats for sure.. Oh God, I'm preaching again, just a matter of time."

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You folks have been proclaiming "It's the end times" since your lot came up with that Jesus story.[/b]

7/31/2009 5:59:02 PM

Chris

"You're all to bloody blinded by the lies"

Oooh shiny mirror award.

7/31/2009 6:06:36 PM

Caustic Gnostic

goddidit... just a matter of time... goddidit... just a matter of time...

I agree to one singular supernatural occurrence associated with the universe as we understand it.

The rest, as you say, is just a matter of time.

My issue with your statement is that you seem to be reckoning time in reverse.

7/31/2009 6:08:53 PM

JonnyTruant

"God said that in the end times the wicked would become blind to the obvious things..."

So... you're admitting that you're wicked?

7/31/2009 7:13:40 PM

Horsefeathers

"The design of Atoms, the heading of this thread implies a creator or designer."

Only if you're too much of a simpleton to figure out why they take the shape they do (which is fairly easy to understand).

"Everything has a designer/creator, that's really blatantly obvious."

No, it's not "blatantly obvious."

Not only that, but it also creates some tough questions for you such as why your god would create various nasty things like viruses, bacteria, parasites and a whole host of genetic defects.

Yeah, I know, Da Fall! which doesn't explain a hell of a lot and, in fact, opens you up to even more tough questions.

"As for scientific jargon, I don't dispute the use of it but dispute the use of it in relation to really bad science."

I don't believe you're qualified to differentiate between good science and "really bad" science. In fact, I'd be surprised if you're even sure what science is.

"Macro-Evolution is really bad science in my opinion."

I assume you mean speciation. If that's the case then it's not even close to "really bad" science.

"Who cares if some or majority of Christians accept Macro-evolution, thats their endeavour not mine, they can believe as they wish but in my view it's either God did it or a process too proposterous to even begin to occur."

So, Goddidit! or it couldn't possibly happen? Care to explain why it couldn't happen without your deity?

"It's about worldviews, you've been given a choice to believe eiher, you've made your choice but you're wrong."

How do you know it's not you who is wrong?

"You're all to bloody blinded by the lies as for us IDers we're set free by the truth."

Shouldn't that be The Truthâ„¢?

"God said that in the end times the wicked would become blind to the obvious things, well we must certainly be living in the end times thats for sure."

If you'll look through the history of your religion that claim has been made many times before by some of your best and brightest minds. So far you're not having much luck with your predictions and I don't see that changing in the foreseeable future.

"Oh God, I'm preaching again, just a matter of time.."

Any day now...

I'm sure of it this time.

Really.

7/31/2009 8:36:21 PM

Dr. Novakaine

You're all to bloody blinded by the lies as for us IDers we're set free by the truth.

And you're too fucking ignorant to understand even the basic concept behind evolution. Even you admit this by saying that if God didn't do it then it's too hard for your tiny little mind to comprehend.

No one gives a flying fuck about your opinion. Science doesn't care about opinions, it cares about facts. And the facts support evolution. Don't like it? Go jump off a bridge for all I care.

7/31/2009 10:16:05 PM

GodotIsWaiting4U

Intelligent design is really bad science in my opinion.

7/31/2009 10:59:31 PM

aaa

Oh, it's this BS again.

8/1/2009 12:52:22 AM

Rallymodeller

ID = a Christian Reverend in a borrowed lab coat.

8/1/2009 12:58:19 AM

Eden

@ GodotIsWaiting4U

I think you even elevate ID to a level that it doesn´t possess, by saying that ID is bad science.
After all "bad science" implies that it is some kind of science.
Considering the fact that according to nowadays scientific standards, ID till now didn´t produce anything that could be considered as some kind of scientific work (for example by being testable) I would assume that "science" is one of the labels that definitely cannot be applied to ID

:D

8/1/2009 2:14:52 AM

Nyssa of Aachen

Designers tend to "sign their work", in some way or the other...
Question, if God did design all life on Earth, & he's like human designers, & "signs his work", so to speak, then where's his Signature...?

8/2/2009 1:30:32 PM

Marc

God said that in the end times the wicked would become blind to the obvious things, well we must certainly be living in the end times thats for sure.

Given the rest of your comment, that would kind of put you in the category of the wicked, now, wouldn't it.

8/2/2009 3:30:58 PM

Doubting Thomas

"Everything has a designer/creator, that's really blatantly obvious."

Um, no it's not.

"As for scientific jargon, I don't dispute the use of it but dispute the use of it in relation to really bad science. Macro-Evolution..."

Irony meter pegged on this one. Using what you think is scientific jargon when you talk about the so-called "macroevolution." There is no such thing, so it is bad science. Actually, it's just a creationist straw man argument.

"well we must certainly be living in the end times thats for sure.."

Yes, just like every other end-times believer for the past 2000 years has said. And speaking of end times, by the way, you only need one period at the end of each sentence.

"Oh God, I'm preaching again, just a matter of time.."

Am I the only one who hears a fap fap fap sound when reading this?

8/4/2009 11:53:56 AM

David B.

@Doubting Thomas: "Irony meter pegged on this one. Using what you think is scientific jargon when you talk about the so-called "macroevolution." There is no such thing, so it is bad science. Actually, it's just a creationist straw man argument."

Macro-evolution is a proper scientific term, coined by a proper scientist, and used by proper scientists in the proper scientific literature (see this).

If your irony meter pegged out, it was over the irony of you calling out the fundie for not knowing their scientific jargon.

8/6/2009 11:06:17 AM
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