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[yes, had I continued with the pregnancy, I would not have lived]

I scanned many of your earlier posts and I can offer sympathy for your many troubles and your confusion, nonetheless whether one doctor or 100 doctors said that (in their opinion) you would die during the pregnancy, they offered their OPINION. You chose to decide life/death in place of allowing God to act in that regard. Your CHOICE was to kill your child and "save" yourself. You acted in the place of God's action. That's the entire story. I hope you are able to return to faithfulness to the teaching of the Church ASAP.

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[It´s much the same issues as when there´s a fallopian tube pregnancy - the same arguements emerge. The fetus doesn´t have any possible chance at life, and is endangering the mother´s life by continuing the pregnancy, certain death if the pregnancy advances far.]

Many differences in place - and still abortion is NOT allowed. Get back to me when you've become a moral theologian.

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Would you say that it's better for one martyr to to die when two were called to die?

catharina, CA 68 Comments [7/30/2009 9:56:19 PM]
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Mog

Ugh. People like this disgust me.

While I would never wish an ectopic pregnancy on anybody, if there were a certain number of people who would have to have them...and I was in charge of choosing who...

7/31/2009 3:55:49 AM

Mister Spak

"Get back to me when you've become a moral theologian. "

Get back to me when you're a decent human being.

7/31/2009 4:33:30 AM

The L

Yes, I would say one dead body is better than two. Catharina needs to call this person back when she's become an empathic human being.

7/31/2009 4:53:25 AM

Table Rock

If Jesus himself appeared before this person and said it was okay, they would tell Jesus that he was wrong.

7/31/2009 5:05:31 AM

Swedish Pagan

So wars are very bad, then? You choose to kill the opponent, instead of being killed yourself. An opponent with consciousness and sense of self, as opposed to the blob of cells who might one day become a human being,

God has seen to it that doctors can save women with dangerous pregnancies. As God is omnipotent, he must want it like it is, with doctors saving people's lives by sacrificing blobs of cells. You don't see him killing abortion doctors, do you? Only small insecure people wanting to play God does that. And we all know what God thinks of people impersonating him, right?

7/31/2009 5:18:57 AM

Princess Rot

Ten bucks says Catharina's opinions would be radically different when its her who is affected, and not someone else whom she can condemn to death from a safe distance.

7/31/2009 5:29:11 AM

emau99

[You acted in the place of God's action.]

Yet when somebody does something you do approve of, you say they're doing "God's work".

Either way, it doesn't sound like you think that God is omnipotent. Is that the case?

7/31/2009 6:07:09 AM

enna

Jesus H. Murphy

What the fuck.

Idiotic and inhumane. I can't believe anyone thinks we should let them both die rather than kill a fetus and save the mother. God would just randomly decide to kill a woman for no good reason and we should just stand by and watch because it's his "perfect will"? These people make me sick!

Women = more than vessels for babies.

7/31/2009 6:35:14 AM

Burning Stake

LDM:

Seriously?! May I ask what happened?

Oh, and: So, the fetus will definitely die anyway, and it's still not allowed to save the life of the mother? What a nice perfect moral set-up you have. Get back to me on that when it threatens a daughter of yours in real life. Or even you.

Oh, and: Where in the Bible does it even fucking mention "ectopic pregnancy"? I dare you to find me that verse. And Jesus said himself, "Let the little children suffer (come) unto me," and what better way to do that than by sending a doomed anyway fetus straight to heaven?

7/31/2009 6:36:41 AM

Paler_Face

Would you say that it's better for one martyr to to die when two were called to die?

Blood, skulls, throne, repeat.

Martyrs? WTF are you talking about? Women who die in childbirth are not martyrs, they are victims of a mistake of nature (or if your god is responsible, a malicious bastard).

Is it better to let someone die a slow and painful death then it is to save a life?

7/31/2009 7:17:37 AM



"nonetheless whether one doctor or 100 doctors said that (in their opinion) you would die during the pregnancy, they offered their OPINION. You chose to decide life/death in place of allowing God to act in that regard."

What the fuck? So she should have just let herself die?? If a doctor tells you, "Take this medicine or you will die" are you going to take the medicine or are you going to say "oh well it's up for god to decide if i die or not lololol"

And what's with this "in their opinion" shit? durrr what doctors tell you doesn't matter because it's just their opinion!!1 What.

7/31/2009 7:27:29 AM

Shann

I read as much of the rest of the thread as I could stomach. Catharina is one of those typical fundies who thinks she has all the answers for every circumstance and is beyond question or reproach.

She is, to put it bluntly, your standard issue sanctimonious, judgmental, self-righteous, holier-than-thou twunt.

Bitches like her exist in every church. All the more reason to stay home.

7/31/2009 7:30:50 AM

HoJuSimpson

So it becomes only an "opinion" when it disagrees with you, huh. How about that. F.U.

7/31/2009 7:31:10 AM

JonnyTruant

These guys literally feed on suffering. How horrible they are!

I wonder what they would do if faced with imminent painful death unless they aborted their own embryo. Would they choose life and the opportunity to have another child or would they rather suffer their martyr's death? I'm curious to see.

7/31/2009 7:33:11 AM

John

You acted in the place of God's action. That's the entire story.

God must be a real wimp - people are always overriding His will. You'd think He'd grow a pair and start doing stuff Himself instead of just letting fundies scold people for Him.

7/31/2009 7:52:40 AM

Dr. Novakaine

This seems to follow typical fundie logic: if they're not born yet, they must be protected at all costs...but once they're out of the womb, fuck 'em.

7/31/2009 8:03:49 AM

LadyJafaria

There is no possibility of the baby living from an ectopic pregnancy. Either the mother dies with the fetus or the pregnancy is terminated. When there's no possibility of a live baby and they think the abortion is wrong anyway it's clear that they just hate women. Thinking of having to birth and raise an unexpected baby as a punishment for sex is bad enough, but thinking someone--who may have even WANTED THE BABY before it turned out ECTOPIC--deserves to die?

You're on the whole other planet from a moral theologian. You're just an asshole. You are so low, snakes can step on you.

7/31/2009 8:41:50 AM

Sisyphus

I'd think that a doctor's opinion is worth more than yours any day of the week.

Now if you'd be so kind as to go DIAF!

7/31/2009 8:51:36 AM

Philbert McAdamia

Get back to me when you've become a moral theologian.


Yeah,yeah, yeah, I'll do that when I become one. In the mean time, dont call me, I'll call you.

7/31/2009 8:59:53 AM



I'd like to know how these people felt when it was their own mother, sister, or daughter who was about to die of complications.

7/31/2009 9:21:06 AM



I'm suddenly starting to agree with the "Death cult" name for these folks.

7/31/2009 9:25:12 AM

Imroy

"You chose to decide life/death in place of allowing God to act in that regard."

Does that apply to everything, not just abortion? What happens if you simply get sick? Get an infection? Break a leg?

Wouldn't want youself or a doctor to decide life/death, now would we? So you'd better just wait for god to act in a case like that, and probably die. Just like the primitive, superstitious people in your bronze-age bible.

7/31/2009 9:26:07 AM

breakerslion

So that's where my missing lab rat went! Sorry folks, she thinks she's human. Catharina! Stop provoking arguments with the nice people and come home immediately!

7/31/2009 9:37:41 AM

Berny

nonetheless whether one doctor or 100 doctors said that (in their opinion) you would die during the pregnancy, they offered their OPINION.

I would sooner take the educated opinion of a doctor than the uneducated opinion of someone (priest or otherwise) purporting to speak for god.

7/31/2009 9:41:52 AM

Headache

Get back to me when you've become a moral theologian.

Get back to me when you've become less of an asshole.

7/31/2009 9:51:53 AM
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