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It says in the Bible, that after Adam and Eve had Cain, Abel, and Seth, that they had other sons and DAUGHTERS... there you go! Because there were not many mistakes in DNA/genetics at that point, you could marry your sister. Consider the Panda bear, it has VERY sharp teeth, yet only eats plants. Animals, including dinosaurs, were originally created to eat plants... after Adam and Eve sinned, many of those same dinosaurs now DID eat meat, as did humans. But most dinosaurs, especially in their younger years, were only the size of sheep or dogs. The Bible says that GOD brought the animals to Noah. Two of every KIND, not two of EVERY animals. Two DOGS, not 2 wolves, 2 coyotes, 2 dingos, etc, just 2 DOGS. So, given the immense size of the ark and bringing on only 2 of every KIND of animals (young versions that would have lots of their lives ahead of them, but able to reproduce), there would be room on the ark for ALL of them. VERY INTELLIGENT!

nathanstetski@, Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed (cinemamontreal.com) 64 Comments [7/22/2009 8:11:03 PM]
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whut

So their structure changed during the years how?
I guess eve gave birth to a Chinese and black boy or girl.
Awesome.

7/22/2009 8:13:57 PM

Kat

Whoa, what a word salad! Would anyone else here at FSTDT like some word salad as well?

7/22/2009 8:17:15 PM

EllwyenDarwin

Random captialization doesn't mean your right.

7/22/2009 8:20:27 PM

enna

Lmao. Word salad.

7/22/2009 8:21:25 PM

clockworkgirl21

It says in the Bible, that after Adam and Eve had Cain, Abel, and Seth, that they had other sons and DAUGHTERS... there you go! Because there were not many mistakes in DNA/genetics at that point, you could marry your sister.

Mistakes in genetics make your offspring freaks when they're inbred? Huh?

Consider the Panda bear, it has VERY sharp teeth, yet only eats plants. Animals, including dinosaurs, were originally created to eat plants... after Adam and Eve sinned, many of those same dinosaurs now DID eat meat, as did humans. But most dinosaurs, especially in their younger years, were only the size of sheep or dogs. The Bible says that GOD brought the animals to Noah. Two of every KIND, not two of EVERY animals. Two DOGS, not 2 wolves, 2 coyotes, 2 dingos, etc, just 2 DOGS. So, given the immense size of the ark and bringing on only 2 of every KIND of animals (young versions that would have lots of their lives ahead of them, but able to reproduce), there would be room on the ark for ALL of them. VERY INTELLIGENT!

No. Just no.

7/22/2009 8:30:13 PM

Mortok

A flesh-eating Panda mount would be epic.

7/22/2009 8:33:31 PM

DarkfireTaimatsu

Most insects still wouldn't live through the 40-day period, however, dumbass. Plus the twenty-thousand other things wrong with the flood story.

7/22/2009 8:44:33 PM

szena

So, in other words, you don't believe in evolution but you believe that one pair of a dog "kind" can "adapt" into all the canid varieties that exist now in 3500 years or so, and the various human races developed over the course of a few centuries.

7/22/2009 8:51:45 PM

Papabear

Hogfuc*kinwash. Your Bible also says the ark had 3 decks, but only one small window. No light, no air, but plenty o' poop.

Even with only 2 (or 7) of even "kind," there still wouldn't have been enough room on that scow... even with just baby animals. I don't think you have a grip on how many "kinds" there are and the limited size of your "immense" ark.


Isn't the panda a better example of evolution rather than support for your Bible fantasy?


P.S. Operable immense arks cannot be constructed, as the Bible states, soley of wood.

7/22/2009 8:52:23 PM

EvoPagan

Because there were not many mistakes in DNA/genetics at that point

No, just a few...

Two of every KIND, not two of EVERY animals

So you're saying that evolution IS true, it just took a few thousand years instead of many millions.

VERY INTELLIGENT!

Not really.

7/22/2009 8:52:26 PM

azathoth

Looks like someone has been drinking the Hovind koolaid.

7/22/2009 8:53:06 PM

Lord X

In a way, this sounds like an ass backwards argument FOR evolution. Still a terrible argument either way.

7/22/2009 8:53:53 PM

Antichrist

Actually a panda has large molars for grinding, sort of like us.


Now can you show me the molars here?

7/22/2009 8:59:15 PM

Orion

No intelligence allowed indeed

7/22/2009 9:11:07 PM

Zoo

"It says in the Bible, that after Adam and Eve had Cain, Abel, and Seth, that they had other sons and DAUGHTERS... there you go! Because there were not many mistakes in DNA/genetics at that point, you could marry your sister."

You act like this is a new revelation. The incest prohibition came later. Of course what really happened is our disgust for incest is built right in. Species all find one way or another to avoid mating with their close relatives if they have the choice, because offspring with close relatives have a high incidence of problems, so those individuals who bred outside the family produced offspring that survived better and were able to reproduce themselves. It's rather simple, actually.

"Consider the Panda bear, it has VERY sharp teeth, yet only eats plants."

Because it is in the bear family, a family that is nominally carnivorous, though the amount of meat each species eats does vary a bit. The kinkajou, in the raccoon family, is a pretty strict frugivore, but that's a carnivore family too. What happened? Some bears and raccoon-relatives could digest leaves or fruit better than others, probably found less competition with these foods, and took the opportunity, so to speak, to specialize.

"The Bible says that GOD brought the animals to Noah. Two of every KIND, not two of EVERY animals. Two DOGS, not 2 wolves, 2 coyotes, 2 dingos, etc, just 2 DOGS."

So you're saying a kind is a generic family representative? So a proto-dog, a proto-cat, a proto-raccoon, a proto-weasel, and so on? And then in the ~4000 years that followed, the proto-bats evolved into ~1200 species (and that's just the extant ones), the proto-rodents evolved into ~1500 species (again, just the extant ones), the proto-beetles evolved into ~350,000 (yes, three-hundred and fifty thousand, and that's just extant beetles), and so on?

"So, given the immense size of the ark and bringing on only 2 of every KIND of animals (young versions that would have lots of their lives ahead of them, but able to reproduce), there would be room on the ark for ALL of them."

You may think it was immense, but it really wasn't that big. It's a bit late at the moment to go calculate up the number of animal families, especially since I'd have to go through and find the extinct ones. If you're correct on which group level we're looking for though (not that there's actually any way to know, since we were only told "kinds"), the number is way too high for you. In fact, christiananswers.net lists the floor space as "over 100,000 square feet, which would be more floor space than in 20 standard-sized basketball courts." 21.27, actually. Wonder why they chose basketball courts? Oh, because it's actually the same as only 2.23 football fields. This is the space they had in which to put the animals, the food, the waste, and the people for 150 days.

7/22/2009 9:12:44 PM

Ken

The only way the flood story sounds credible is to imagine yourself living a few thousand years ago and only knowing about maybe fifty animal species.

7/22/2009 9:29:39 PM

Horsefeathers

"It says in the Bible, that after Adam and Eve had Cain, Abel, and Seth, that they had other sons and DAUGHTERS... there you go!"

Maybe where you're from.

"Because there were not many mistakes in DNA/genetics at that point, you could marry your sister."

Inherent genetic mistakes in DNA are not why inbreeding is a bad idea. They don't help, but even with your mythical "perfect" DNA you wouldn't want to be doing it.

"Consider the Panda bear, it has VERY sharp teeth, yet only eats plants."

It eats fucking bamboo you moron. It needs those sharp teeth to eat a plant that is rather fibrous on the inside--and often hard--along with having to gnaw through the tough outer layers to get to the insides.

What? You thought it ate ferns or something?

"Animals, including dinosaurs, were originally created to eat plants..."

And then "The Fall" right?

Fine. I'll play along. Now explain why only some of the animals now eat meat while others continue to eat plants and others eat both.

"after Adam and Eve sinned, many of those same dinosaurs now DID eat meat, as did humans."

In addition to explaining the above, explain how a human eating a fucking apple would curse any creature other than humans, but not all of them it seems.

You might also explain why your Bible states explicitly a number of times that the "iniquities of the father" wont be passed on to the son yet, for some odd reason, this doesn't apply when apples are involved. Or is it because Eve was the one who "sinned" and therefore it doesn't matter since your book was apparently written by a bunch of misogynistic assholes?

"But most dinosaurs, especially in their younger years, were only the size of sheep or dogs."

Just in their younger years, huh?

I've got news for you. The vast majority of dinosaurs that ever lived were somewhere between the size of a chicken and the size of the average adult male.

They'd still kick your ass. Even the vegetarians.

"The Bible says that GOD brought the animals to Noah. Two of every KIND, not two of EVERY animals."

That's one version. The other version says it's seven of every kind.

While you're giving that conundrum a good think you might also want to see if you can come up with some sort of meaningful definition of "kind" that doesn't either mean exactly what species means, and thereby screw you royally, or have no meaning at all because it's so broad as to encompass everything from whales to rocks.

"Two DOGS, not 2 wolves, 2 coyotes, 2 dingos, etc, just 2 DOGS."

Then why do we still have wolves, coyotes, dingos, foxes, etc?

I'm no geneticist but I would think it would be hard to breed wolf traits back into a dog and even harder to breed them into coyotes or foxes so how do you explain their existence?

"So, given the immense size of the ark and bringing on only 2 of every KIND of animals (young versions that would have lots of their lives ahead of them, but able to reproduce), there would be room on the ark for ALL of them."

Bullshit. Most estimates put the Ark at about 400 feet long with 3 decks. There's no fucking way you'd get all of the animals, even "kinds", onto that boat. There's also no fucking way it would float as it would break apart from the stresses it would be under, but that's another topic all together.

"VERY INTELLIGENT!"

No, it's not.

I wonder if you people know how aptly your forum is named?

7/22/2009 9:34:48 PM

Pissed off panda

Not many mistakes? So gawd's 'perfect' creation wasn't so perfect?

oh, i love also how you are the biggest dim-witted proponent of speciation and natural selection (albeit on a laughable time scale).


::angrily masticates bamboo which REQUIRES FLAT SURFACED MOLAR TEETH::


ugh.

7/22/2009 9:42:42 PM

pete

The rest is unworthy of notice but I must say that the panda, like other ursids, is an omnivore. Pandas eat meat and grizzlies eat grass.

7/22/2009 9:51:55 PM

Pule Thamex

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7/22/2009 9:54:57 PM

teh_crzy

the way I see it, if two people who are born of the same two parents reproduce, that's pretty much incest

7/22/2009 9:56:03 PM

WMDKitty

I just got Cherry Garcia up my nose, you bastard!

7/22/2009 9:59:44 PM

tjonp

This is practically the entire Answers in Genesis website condensed in a paragraph. And they managed to fund a museum. It's sad.

7/22/2009 10:03:42 PM

Caustic Gnostic

...Daughters? Yeah, there was Noreah, mother of Noah. She torched Noah's first attempt. Any later work on Noah's part didn't happen, because teh Flud didn't really happen either.

[This public service announcement is given on behalf of the Naj Hammadi (Coptic) codices.]

Shit-on-Fire, Nate! You're all over the place tonight!

[BTW, Cain and Abel were god-rape babies.]

7/22/2009 10:23:42 PM

werewolf

We await your proof of all these claims with bated breath.

7/22/2009 10:55:29 PM
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