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[Re: God "Testing" Abraham by telling him to sacrifice his son Isaac]

Because Abraham had free will just like the rest of God’s children. So God tested his faith, to see if he would truly put the Lord’s will before everything earthly.

It is not cruel, because God loves all of his children, and even if Isaac had died he would have just gone up to live with God in heaven. In fact, it’s almost like teasing Isaac, because he almost got an express ticket to the pearly gates.

Tobytwo, Unreasonable Faith 39 Comments [7/31/2009 3:23:26 PM]
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Eden

So, human sacrifices as done by, for example, the Mayas or the Celts are O.K. for you as well?

After all most religious human sacrifices contain the belief, that the person who is sacrificed will be rewarded by getting some kind of higher position in the afterlife and being especially close to the particular gods of the tribe doing the sacrifice

;)

8/1/2009 2:20:37 AM



This:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqC73omSk4o

(sorry, that was me, Nathan the Wise, not being all that wise, actually.)

8/1/2009 2:48:11 AM

LDM

So it's okay for a man of God to kill his living breathing son, because of some voice in his head, but it's not okay for a woman to terminate her pregnancy?

8/1/2009 3:58:44 AM

Ozzie

When ever I used to hear this story in church I would get up and walk out. The bible is full of many horrible stories but this one always got to me.

It's funny how God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son, because I think if he has asked Sarah (that was Abe's wife,right? I'm trying to forget my bible stories) it would have been a different story altogether.

99% of moms (I know there are few out their that kill their children) would do anything to protect their children, including going against an obnoxious god.

When I was a believer, I always wondered why good old Mary never really stepped up to the plate for her son as well.

8/1/2009 6:37:44 AM

MrsYoungie

Check the context. Tobytwo appologized for not upping the sarcasm a couple of comments later.
But thanks for linking to the Abraham/Isaac video - priceless!

8/1/2009 7:29:21 AM

Swedish Pagan

Yeah, it's not cruel, not at all. *rolls eyes and slowly backs away*

If Abraham had really killed his son and then woken up to realize what he had done, his life would be hell from that moment on. How can you sanely carry on living, when you know that you wilfully murdered your own son?

8/1/2009 7:46:10 AM

G. Fieendish

Remind me again of the Peleagian heresy, will you...?
According to Saint Augustine, who in AD 660, declared that the teachings of the Welsh Monk, Morgan, who believed that there was no such concept as Original Sin, & that Adam & Eve chose of their own free will, to eat of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, was a heresy...
As such, Abraham has no free will, & therefore God tested him to "prove his loyality"...
Note: the punishment for Heresy, during the Middle Ages, & in some parts, up to the 1800's was the Auto-da-fe...

8/2/2009 1:44:40 PM

Big Jilm

God just told me to smack your fucking face. How ya like me now?!

8/4/2009 12:49:08 PM

Arts_Myth

@G. Fieendish (#999188): Note: the punishment for Heresy, during the Middle Ages, & in some parts, up to the 1800's was the Auto-da-fe...

Auto-da-fe? What's the Auto-da-fe?

8/4/2009 5:53:07 PM

G. Fieendish

Re: Auto-Da-Fe
This was otherwise known as "Being Burnt Alive At The Stake"...
Mass Auto Da Fe's were publically performed in front of jeering crowds as a twisted form of public entertainment, most notably in Portugal & Spain, and were often staged as such...

8/9/2009 11:20:29 AM

Arts_Myth

@G. Fieendish (#1003145): Mass Auto Da Fe's were publically performed

Ah, the Inquisition. What a show!

8/14/2009 8:37:48 PM

name

Alternatively, Abraham failed the test.

11/26/2009 1:56:33 PM

FSMpirate

I felt this necessary...

Dear Fundies,

There is no such thing as an after-life. You either be cool through your life, and people remember you that way (the closest thing to immortality) or you're a dumb-ass pushy fundie piece of trash that everyone laughs at the memory of after you're gone. You can't depend on your invisible friend to put you in this cloud party of which you so blindly hope is up there.

That doesn't strike you as the worlds biggest con-job? A life of servitude to the "lord"(aka: the church), and you won't collect your reward until you are already dead. You're beyond getting anything/going anywhere once they put your poor misguided ass in the ground.

"Hey, follow my rules through your life, and I'll reward you with paradise. Don't, and it's the lake of fire and brimestone for you!"

This and countless other rules were thought up to keep the brainless masses (you guys) from killing eachother off. Meanwhile, athiests and other people who enjoy thinking for themselves are capable of leading moral, fruitful lives.

So, cower from your bogey-man. Make him happy and he won't "gitcha"!

12/1/2009 9:49:06 AM

Quantum Mechanic

Abraham is a myth for the dismally stupid.

3/6/2012 11:17:02 AM
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